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I have a devuan desktop, but it somehow self-nuked its grub. I really, really dislike systemd, but the other desktop is a manjaro setup. It was stable for a w

by hedora 3y ago

I have a devuan desktop, but it somehow self-nuked its grub. I really, really dislike systemd, but the other desktop is a manjaro setup. It was stable for a while, but now something with logind (which is somehow related to systemd) broke. The one reason I switched to manjaro is that the machine is shared between kids and two parents, and I wanted to be able to switch accounts from the screensaver prompt. That routinely fails now. I really wish there was a debuggable (so, not systemd) Linux distribution where things like account switching, zoom and steam worked. Manjaro is the closest thing I've found. I wish one of the *BSD's worked for that. (I genuinely like my OpenBSD router, but I only log into it every year or so, because, well, it just works.)

slome 3y ago
You can run debian without systemd [1]. I've been running debian sid - the "unstable"/rolling development version - with sysvinit for over 3 years now and it has been a good experience. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Init https://wiki.debian.org/Init
3np 3y ago
Have you tried Alpine Linux? Fairly straightforward to set up as a desktop and no systemd (OpenRC FWIW) by default. Flatpak Steam reportedly runs fine. https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Steam https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Steam
dyingkneepad 3y ago
All of which you described works for me in Debian, one of my laptops is also shared by the family. I believe that now systemd is so much more common that paths without it are less tested and way more prone to bugs. Systemd was kind of a problem many many years ago while it was a new thing and still barely tested, but now it's mostly stable. Don't let your past experience impair your judgement of how things are in 2023. Everybody putting money on Linux is on systemd.