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Are you confusing the charging network with the plug standard?

by pmorici 3y ago

7e 3y ago
Who cares if it’s a standard if the network is not open?
- judge2020 3y ago
  Because the OP here was actually mistaking things. For all we know there won't be a Tesla to CCS adapter that works on existing Ford/GM vehicles, it could be that only Ford/GM vehicles with the NACS connector will get to use all superchargers. And Tesla has already opened up charging to all EVs on some superchargers via the Magic Dock, but the situation isn't amazing, especially with many new cars using an 800 volt architecture and thus not charging super fast on Tesla's 400 volt superchargers. https://youtu.be/pUYqDNCIFD8 https://youtu.be/pUYqDNCIFD8 Combine this with how many charge port doors aren't on the back left or front right, and you have a really messy charging situation with blocked spots and slow charging cars. The partnership most likely means: - The cars will be 400 volt architecture (or otherwise 800v and upcoming V4 superchargers will support up to 1000 volts) - The charging port door will be either on the front right quarter of the car, or back left quarter.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    In the Ford announcement, they promised an adapter.
    - judge2020 3y ago
      I guess they'd only do it for maybe three model years or so, because theoretically over time even existing superchargers can be retrofitted with the magic dock (as V3s have).
      - _ea1k 3y ago
        TBH, a customer owned adapter is likely better than magic dock. Maybe easier to use too.
        judge2020 3y ago
        The main purpose of the magic dock seems to be enabling anyone to roll up and pay for their charging session. If there were a personal charger, the car would have to also be updated to perform the NACS handshake and communicate with Tesla's backend for payment (note that all payment and charging is handled by the car, and with some hacks you can enable free unlimited supercharging which the supercharger doesn't do any verification of). Also, in the original announcement, I wonder if ford meant they'll give CCS to Tesla adapters[0] so that you can plug in on existing infra. 0: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter
- _ea1k 3y ago
  Is CCS not open, just because Rivian built a CCS charging network that is closed to other makes?
- pmorici 3y ago
  Because the Tesla supercharger network isn’t the only network using the standard. Kind of like you have to be a Costco member to buy gas at Costco but they have the same dispenser nozzles as every other gas station.
  - deleted 3y ago
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hedora 3y ago
None of the major problems with the other charging networks are related to the connector standard. It’s all bad software, poor maintenance, and bullshit silicon valley social networking stuff. For instance, EA’s and evgo’s tap to pay terminals will fail to work regardless of whether you’re trying to charge with a tesla cord or a ccs cord.

Are you confusing the charging network with the plug standard?

7e 3y ago

Who cares if it’s a standard if the network is not open?

judge2020 3y ago
Because the OP here was actually mistaking things. For all we know there won't be a Tesla to CCS adapter that works on existing Ford/GM vehicles, it could be that only Ford/GM vehicles with the NACS connector will get to use all superchargers. And Tesla has already opened up charging to all EVs on some superchargers via the Magic Dock, but the situation isn't amazing, especially with many new cars using an 800 volt architecture and thus not charging super fast on Tesla's 400 volt superchargers. https://youtu.be/pUYqDNCIFD8 https://youtu.be/pUYqDNCIFD8 Combine this with how many charge port doors aren't on the back left or front right, and you have a really messy charging situation with blocked spots and slow charging cars. The partnership most likely means: - The cars will be 400 volt architecture (or otherwise 800v and upcoming V4 superchargers will support up to 1000 volts) - The charging port door will be either on the front right quarter of the car, or back left quarter.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  In the Ford announcement, they promised an adapter.
  - judge2020 3y ago
    I guess they'd only do it for maybe three model years or so, because theoretically over time even existing superchargers can be retrofitted with the magic dock (as V3s have).
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      TBH, a customer owned adapter is likely better than magic dock. Maybe easier to use too.
      - judge2020 3y ago
        The main purpose of the magic dock seems to be enabling anyone to roll up and pay for their charging session. If there were a personal charger, the car would have to also be updated to perform the NACS handshake and communicate with Tesla's backend for payment (note that all payment and charging is handled by the car, and with some hacks you can enable free unlimited supercharging which the supercharger doesn't do any verification of). Also, in the original announcement, I wonder if ford meant they'll give CCS to Tesla adapters[0] so that you can plug in on existing infra. 0: https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter
_ea1k 3y ago
Is CCS not open, just because Rivian built a CCS charging network that is closed to other makes?
pmorici 3y ago
Because the Tesla supercharger network isn’t the only network using the standard. Kind of like you have to be a Costco member to buy gas at Costco but they have the same dispenser nozzles as every other gas station.
- deleted 3y ago
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hedora 3y ago

None of the major problems with the other charging networks are related to the connector standard. It’s all bad software, poor maintenance, and bullshit silicon valley social networking stuff. For instance, EA’s and evgo’s tap to pay terminals will fail to work regardless of whether you’re trying to charge with a tesla cord or a ccs cord.