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Companies have lobbyists. During covid, the only voices that got heard were those of companies who pushed hard to make sure they benefited. People don't have st

Companies have lobbyists. During covid, the only voices that got heard were those of companies who pushed hard to make sure they benefited. People don't have strong and coordinated advocacy groups. So all we ever talked about was making sure companies still profited, who gives a shit if people are locked inside, the economy is what's important. Unfortunately, people are too ignorant to organize for their own good. We can't even agree on what that means, and in fact the majority would rather fight against their own interests in exchange for silly platitudes.

PM_me_your_math 3y ago
The economy is just as important as any other element of our civilization. In a total economic collapse, millions of people may starve to death, and millions more would live on the edge of starvation. Energy, food, materials, and all things managed by logistics rely on economic activity. To downplay the importance of the economy betrays little consideration to all aspects of our civilization. "During covid, the only voices that got heard were those of companies" So you're saying nobody heard BLM and Antifa during the "summer of love" mostly-peaceful riots? Considering BLM got $90MM (to mostly buy mansions in two countries and employ Cullors' family), I'd say they were heard well. And people who got extended economic benefits, not heard? huh? And the states that got virtual blank Treasury checks to buy PPE, vents, ambulances, and everything in between... "would rather fight against their own interests" Who are you to tell other people what their interests are? That bit is simple arrogance. You can only ever speak for yourself.
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  >Who are you to tell other people what their interests are? That bit is simple arrogance. You can only ever speak for yourself. One thing I will note is that America seems to like to do a lot of tyranny of the majority kind of moves. Instead of saying things like "We recommend isolation and will support you through it if you choose" it becomes "You cannot leave your house because half of you said so". or instead of "You can have an abortion but we wont pay for it" it becomes a tug of war between "You cannot have an abortion, even if you'll pay" or "You can have an abortion and we'll make the tax payer subsidize/pay for it" ... I'm often shocked by the kind of "Freedom" that Americans accept

PM_me_your_math 3y ago

The economy is just as important as any other element of our civilization. In a total economic collapse, millions of people may starve to death, and millions more would live on the edge of starvation. Energy, food, materials, and all things managed by logistics rely on economic activity. To downplay the importance of the economy betrays little consideration to all aspects of our civilization. "During covid, the only voices that got heard were those of companies" So you're saying nobody heard BLM and Antifa during the "summer of love" mostly-peaceful riots? Considering BLM got $90MM (to mostly buy mansions in two countries and employ Cullors' family), I'd say they were heard well. And people who got extended economic benefits, not heard? huh? And the states that got virtual blank Treasury checks to buy PPE, vents, ambulances, and everything in between... "would rather fight against their own interests" Who are you to tell other people what their interests are? That bit is simple arrogance. You can only ever speak for yourself.

maerF0x0 3y ago
>Who are you to tell other people what their interests are? That bit is simple arrogance. You can only ever speak for yourself. One thing I will note is that America seems to like to do a lot of tyranny of the majority kind of moves. Instead of saying things like "We recommend isolation and will support you through it if you choose" it becomes "You cannot leave your house because half of you said so". or instead of "You can have an abortion but we wont pay for it" it becomes a tug of war between "You cannot have an abortion, even if you'll pay" or "You can have an abortion and we'll make the tax payer subsidize/pay for it" ... I'm often shocked by the kind of "Freedom" that Americans accept