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They would still have to build out a charging infrastructure tho wouldn't they? This skips that step for now, they can still build out there own standard if the

by leesec 3y ago

They would still have to build out a charging infrastructure tho wouldn't they? This skips that step for now, they can still build out there own standard if they'd like

vel0city 3y ago
I shouldn't be beholden to a car manufacturer for charging my car. Imagine if all gas stations were Ford stations.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  It is a legitimate concern, tbh. But there's nothing stopping third parties from adding this plug to their stations. Most support two cables, so doing both isn't a big lift.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    > But there's nothing stopping third parties from adding this plug to their stations. Sure seems like there are seeing as how finding a dispenser with both CCS and Tesla is like finding a unicorn. You'd think someone would have been rolling them out years ago alongside Tesla.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      EVGo has done it, but they've done it by using chademo adapters strapped to the side of the unit. Most of that was before Tesla added support for CCS signaling to the cars. Also, they did it in the most EVGo way possible. There was a high traffic route near me with no superchargers. EVGo had a location, but no adapter. But EVGo would put units like that in the same parking lot as supercharger. :facepalm More recently, a lot of manufacturers want to do it, but there's a different constraint. High quality cable and connector manufacturers are not yet making Tesla connectors in volume. Tesla doesn't sell their own cables and connectors to third parties. I'm hearing that this will all change by next year, though. At least one charger company (Freewire, IIRC) has committed to using them.
    - frumper 3y ago
      As a Tesla owner, I generally have no need for any non-Tesla chargers. Tesla's network has been everywhere I want to go and has been reliable. I have an adapter in case, but the only time I've used it is just to try it out to see how it works. That probably doesn't make me the target market of the other networks.
      - vel0city 3y ago
        Tesla drivers mostly don't have a choice at the moment, unless they knew about and bothered buying the expensive CCS adapter at the moment. If there were third party natively Tesla compatible chargers (including payment negotiation), are you really saying you'd never use them? Like, if your hotel had a third party one, or there was the Tesla one off the highway a few miles away, you'd go.out of your way to go to the Tesla one? What if the third party ones were cheaper? I totally get most Tesla owners ignoring CCS chargers currently. Most owners don't have adapters, many chargers would require some app for a subpar billing experience, people don't like the connector, etc. But I wouldn't understand people choosing Tesla ones over similarly equipped ones. It'd be like driving well out of your way to always use Shell stations while you pass up an Exxon, a Phillips, a Wawa, etc.
        frumper 3y ago
        There are a few factor's that decide what to use. Location, price and reputation. When filling up our ICE car, I drive to Costco gas and pass quite a few stations on the way to do it. In a pinch, will I use another brand, sure. Am I in a pinch often enough to make it worth it for EVGo, or EA, to install the tesla connector? That's their choice. I have an adapter, and I don't use their chargers. Never needed it. The only time I've tested it to see how it works at EVGo, EA and Charepoint. I have all of the apps setup. I had issues at every single charger with it either not starting, or stopping after a few minutes. It's one of those early car purchase decisions I wish I didn't make and am glad to have never needed.
        _ea1k 3y ago
        Hotels generally have level 2 chargers. Those use the J1772 adapter that is included with the car for free. I also have the CCS adapter, but I've rarely used it. It does help when the CCS station is more convenient. I've had that happen a couple of times, but it is remarkably rare. The opposite situation, CCS but no Tesla Supercharger access would be a lot less pleasant.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      Since I can't edit my post any more, I'll add it here. ABB North America and Flo have announced support for NACS.

by leesec 3y ago

They would still have to build out a charging infrastructure tho wouldn't they? This skips that step for now, they can still build out there own standard if they'd like

vel0city 3y ago

I shouldn't be beholden to a car manufacturer for charging my car. Imagine if all gas stations were Ford stations.

_ea1k 3y ago
It is a legitimate concern, tbh. But there's nothing stopping third parties from adding this plug to their stations. Most support two cables, so doing both isn't a big lift.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > But there's nothing stopping third parties from adding this plug to their stations. Sure seems like there are seeing as how finding a dispenser with both CCS and Tesla is like finding a unicorn. You'd think someone would have been rolling them out years ago alongside Tesla.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    EVGo has done it, but they've done it by using chademo adapters strapped to the side of the unit. Most of that was before Tesla added support for CCS signaling to the cars. Also, they did it in the most EVGo way possible. There was a high traffic route near me with no superchargers. EVGo had a location, but no adapter. But EVGo would put units like that in the same parking lot as supercharger. :facepalm More recently, a lot of manufacturers want to do it, but there's a different constraint. High quality cable and connector manufacturers are not yet making Tesla connectors in volume. Tesla doesn't sell their own cables and connectors to third parties. I'm hearing that this will all change by next year, though. At least one charger company (Freewire, IIRC) has committed to using them.
  - frumper 3y ago
    As a Tesla owner, I generally have no need for any non-Tesla chargers. Tesla's network has been everywhere I want to go and has been reliable. I have an adapter in case, but the only time I've used it is just to try it out to see how it works. That probably doesn't make me the target market of the other networks.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Tesla drivers mostly don't have a choice at the moment, unless they knew about and bothered buying the expensive CCS adapter at the moment. If there were third party natively Tesla compatible chargers (including payment negotiation), are you really saying you'd never use them? Like, if your hotel had a third party one, or there was the Tesla one off the highway a few miles away, you'd go.out of your way to go to the Tesla one? What if the third party ones were cheaper? I totally get most Tesla owners ignoring CCS chargers currently. Most owners don't have adapters, many chargers would require some app for a subpar billing experience, people don't like the connector, etc. But I wouldn't understand people choosing Tesla ones over similarly equipped ones. It'd be like driving well out of your way to always use Shell stations while you pass up an Exxon, a Phillips, a Wawa, etc.
      - frumper 3y ago
        There are a few factor's that decide what to use. Location, price and reputation. When filling up our ICE car, I drive to Costco gas and pass quite a few stations on the way to do it. In a pinch, will I use another brand, sure. Am I in a pinch often enough to make it worth it for EVGo, or EA, to install the tesla connector? That's their choice. I have an adapter, and I don't use their chargers. Never needed it. The only time I've tested it to see how it works at EVGo, EA and Charepoint. I have all of the apps setup. I had issues at every single charger with it either not starting, or stopping after a few minutes. It's one of those early car purchase decisions I wish I didn't make and am glad to have never needed.
      - _ea1k 3y ago
        Hotels generally have level 2 chargers. Those use the J1772 adapter that is included with the car for free. I also have the CCS adapter, but I've rarely used it. It does help when the CCS station is more convenient. I've had that happen a couple of times, but it is remarkably rare. The opposite situation, CCS but no Tesla Supercharger access would be a lot less pleasant.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    Since I can't edit my post any more, I'll add it here. ABB North America and Flo have announced support for NACS.