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YouTube legal team contacted Invidious developers

94 points by SushiHippie 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago
Between this, the Twitter changes and the Reddit API changes, I think we can officially declare the APIpocalypse has begun.
- 128bytes 3y ago
  I would be very happy if all of these services finally shut down instead of continuing to eat everything thanks to infinite funding
- chuchana 3y ago
  APIcolapse ?
- senel 3y ago
  [flagged]
dimaor 3y ago
_They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API._ is both funny and hardcore
nirav72 3y ago
I recently cancelled youtube premium due to the price increase. Invidious has been great to catch up on new videos from all my subbed channels. Sure It’s only at 720p. But i don’t have to see recommended videos cluttering up the main page or having to watch multiple non-skippable ads. I didn’t mind paying for premium family plan when it was $17/month. But the recent jump to $22 in a single increase is a bit much. At that price, it would cost me more than hulu and disney plus subscriptions combined.
- justinclift 3y ago
  > having to watch multiple non-skippable ads UBlock Origin blocks ads completely. :)
  - Doxin 3y ago
    Sponsorblock then skips embedded sponsor segments too.
    - ajdude 3y ago
      The day YouTube incorporates something similar to sponsor block in YouTube premium will be the day that I actually buy YouTube premium. I think if YouTube premium advertises that they remove the ads, they should remove all of the ads including in video sponsors.
      - activiation 3y ago
        They probably should share YouTube premium revenues with content creators then
        jacooper 3y ago
        They already do
      - Doxin 3y ago
        I mean honestly though. A while back I was deciding between getting youtube premium or spotify for music, and I was leaning towards youtube except for two things: 1) youtube was refusing to take my money. I don't have a credit card and youtube does not support any other payment methods. 2) youtube premium at the time would STILL show you ads. It just promised they would be "less frequent".
  - nirav72 3y ago
    Yeah on desktop browsers , UBlock origin works well. But haven’t found a solution for mobile app. (IOS). Any recommendations?
COGlory 3y ago
The enshitification continues.
throwaway2056 3y ago
Does this mean the legal team do not understand tech? How come a company like Google/YouTube have no checks-balances when sending things like this? Or do the top-level not have powers over legal team?
- nubinetwork 3y ago
  > Does this mean the legal team do not understand tech Considering how they keep calling the random id number that identifies your video a "rolling cipher", of course they don't.
PikachuEXE 3y ago
There is FreeTube too. FreeTube is an open source desktop YouTube player built with privacy in mind. - https://freetubeapp.io https://freetubeapp.io - https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube When in trouble, use nightly version (release is not frequent)
- SushiHippie 3y ago
  There is also Piped [0] which is a direct alternative to Invidious. It uses the NewPipeExtractor [1] from the NewPipe Android app [2] to contact YouTube. [0] https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped [1] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipeExtractor https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipeExtractor [2] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe
kklisura 3y ago
> Invidious is an alternative front-end to YouTube Wow. I didn't know such project even existed. I guess it's time to clone! Thanks Youtube! Also, you can pry our adblocks from our cold dead disks!
2h 3y ago
> They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API. yeah, they DEFINITELY DO: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/blob/e7bed765/src/invidious/yt_backend/youtube_api.cr https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/blob/e7bed765/src/invidi... not sure what backwards logic they are using to come to this conclusion, but its objectively wrong, and wont hold up in court. Granted, I am also guilty of this in my own project, but I dont pretend that I am not using the API, I just dont care because my project is tiny. They no longer have that luxury.
- effie 3y ago
  Perhaps they mean they, as a project, don't access Youtube API? But the user does?

94 points by SushiHippie 3y ago

Between this, the Twitter changes and the Reddit API changes, I think we can officially declare the APIpocalypse has begun.

128bytes 3y ago
I would be very happy if all of these services finally shut down instead of continuing to eat everything thanks to infinite funding
chuchana 3y ago
APIcolapse ?
senel 3y ago
[flagged]

dimaor 3y ago

_They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API._ is both funny and hardcore

nirav72 3y ago

I recently cancelled youtube premium due to the price increase. Invidious has been great to catch up on new videos from all my subbed channels. Sure It’s only at 720p. But i don’t have to see recommended videos cluttering up the main page or having to watch multiple non-skippable ads. I didn’t mind paying for premium family plan when it was $17/month. But the recent jump to $22 in a single increase is a bit much. At that price, it would cost me more than hulu and disney plus subscriptions combined.

justinclift 3y ago
> having to watch multiple non-skippable ads UBlock Origin blocks ads completely. :)
- Doxin 3y ago
  Sponsorblock then skips embedded sponsor segments too.
  - ajdude 3y ago
    The day YouTube incorporates something similar to sponsor block in YouTube premium will be the day that I actually buy YouTube premium. I think if YouTube premium advertises that they remove the ads, they should remove all of the ads including in video sponsors.
    - activiation 3y ago
      They probably should share YouTube premium revenues with content creators then
      - jacooper 3y ago
        They already do
    - Doxin 3y ago
      I mean honestly though. A while back I was deciding between getting youtube premium or spotify for music, and I was leaning towards youtube except for two things: 1) youtube was refusing to take my money. I don't have a credit card and youtube does not support any other payment methods. 2) youtube premium at the time would STILL show you ads. It just promised they would be "less frequent".
- nirav72 3y ago
  Yeah on desktop browsers , UBlock origin works well. But haven’t found a solution for mobile app. (IOS). Any recommendations?

COGlory 3y ago

The enshitification continues.

throwaway2056 3y ago

Does this mean the legal team do not understand tech? How come a company like Google/YouTube have no checks-balances when sending things like this? Or do the top-level not have powers over legal team?

nubinetwork 3y ago
> Does this mean the legal team do not understand tech Considering how they keep calling the random id number that identifies your video a "rolling cipher", of course they don't.

PikachuEXE 3y ago

There is FreeTube too. FreeTube is an open source desktop YouTube player built with privacy in mind. - https://freetubeapp.io https://freetubeapp.io - https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube When in trouble, use nightly version (release is not frequent)

SushiHippie 3y ago
There is also Piped [0] which is a direct alternative to Invidious. It uses the NewPipeExtractor [1] from the NewPipe Android app [2] to contact YouTube. [0] https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped [1] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipeExtractor https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipeExtractor [2] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe

kklisura 3y ago

> Invidious is an alternative front-end to YouTube Wow. I didn't know such project even existed. I guess it's time to clone! Thanks Youtube! Also, you can pry our adblocks from our cold dead disks!

2h 3y ago

> They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API. yeah, they DEFINITELY DO: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/blob/e7bed765/src/invidious/yt_backend/youtube_api.cr https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/blob/e7bed765/src/invidi... not sure what backwards logic they are using to come to this conclusion, but its objectively wrong, and wont hold up in court. Granted, I am also guilty of this in my own project, but I dont pretend that I am not using the API, I just dont care because my project is tiny. They no longer have that luxury.

effie 3y ago
Perhaps they mean they, as a project, don't access Youtube API? But the user does?