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I have no love for the CCS connector, but I've been exclusively driving a BEV with a CCS connector for more than a year and many of your complaints are complete

I have no love for the CCS connector, but I've been exclusively driving a BEV with a CCS connector for more than a year and many of your complaints are completely foreign to me. > most CCS chargers just fail to start charging There's one charger in my neighborhood that is sometimes fiddly, but the vast majority of my charging experiences have been problem free. > Usually the car is expecting current when it is plugged in, and by the time you open up the app and figure out how to pay, the car has given up on the charger and won't charge when the charger is ready. I've never had anything like this experience. What charging network are you using? Electrify America chargers have credit card readers and don't require an app. EVGo chargers allow you to either use an app or tap an EVGo card. A bit annoying, I concede, but I have never had the timeout issue you describe. I'm also not sure what this complaint has to do with CCS. [Edit: Reading other comments, maybe EVGo chargers have CC readers too? Maybe I've just never noticed it because I have the EVGo payment card.] > The CCS connector is hideous No denying this one! >The CCS connector...sags under its own weight Not mine!

dheera 3y ago
> What charging network are you using? Mostly EVGo. At my nearest EVGo station all 3 chargers don't work. 1 has its software eternally crashed, the other never starts charging and only accepts MasterCard (no Visa), and the app fails to start charging. The 3rd has a physically broken connector. There is no "call for help" button like elevators have, so I just go to a Tesla Supercharger instead.
bottlepalm 3y ago
And if CCS worked as well for everyone as it does for you then they wouldn't be ditching it for NACS, but it doesn't so they are.
- pdabbadabba 3y ago
  I guess my real point is that most of these issues primarily seem to be caused by the design of the charger and/or car, not the connector. For example, does the fact that some charging networks require you to use an app to pay really have anything to do with the connector? The fact that some cars apparently implement the charging protocol in a way that results in them timing out while the user is trying to activate the charger? That some charging stations just don't work? I'd bet that we'll start hearing all sorts of similar complaints about the NACS connector once people start using them on cars from a wider array of manufacturers with NACS-equipped EA/EVGo/ChargePoint (or similar) charging stations. To be clear, I'm open to the possibility that NACS might be better. But I don't think it will be a panacea for peoples' EV charging issues. The CCS connector has become a scapegoat for a lot of the quality issues with non-Tesla charging networks.
  - bottlepalm 3y ago
    The biggest most reliable charging network is NACS, and GM/Ford want access to it to sell cars. The hardware is better, see - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNiupN1X7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNiupN1X7s The software didn't have to be so bad for CCS, and maybe it still will be for third parties in the future even with the NACS adapter. What can be guaranteed is that with this change there will more more and more reliable Tesla brand superchargers out there. This is more a statement from GM/Ford that third party chargers have failed and we can't rely on them. GM/Ford aren't going to build their own network so their only option is to join Tesla.
vel0city 3y ago
The vast majority of people here complaining about CCS have probably never even handled the connector much less actually used a CCS car.

dheera 3y ago

> What charging network are you using? Mostly EVGo. At my nearest EVGo station all 3 chargers don't work. 1 has its software eternally crashed, the other never starts charging and only accepts MasterCard (no Visa), and the app fails to start charging. The 3rd has a physically broken connector. There is no "call for help" button like elevators have, so I just go to a Tesla Supercharger instead.

bottlepalm 3y ago

And if CCS worked as well for everyone as it does for you then they wouldn't be ditching it for NACS, but it doesn't so they are.

pdabbadabba 3y ago
I guess my real point is that most of these issues primarily seem to be caused by the design of the charger and/or car, not the connector. For example, does the fact that some charging networks require you to use an app to pay really have anything to do with the connector? The fact that some cars apparently implement the charging protocol in a way that results in them timing out while the user is trying to activate the charger? That some charging stations just don't work? I'd bet that we'll start hearing all sorts of similar complaints about the NACS connector once people start using them on cars from a wider array of manufacturers with NACS-equipped EA/EVGo/ChargePoint (or similar) charging stations. To be clear, I'm open to the possibility that NACS might be better. But I don't think it will be a panacea for peoples' EV charging issues. The CCS connector has become a scapegoat for a lot of the quality issues with non-Tesla charging networks.
- bottlepalm 3y ago
  The biggest most reliable charging network is NACS, and GM/Ford want access to it to sell cars. The hardware is better, see - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNiupN1X7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNiupN1X7s The software didn't have to be so bad for CCS, and maybe it still will be for third parties in the future even with the NACS adapter. What can be guaranteed is that with this change there will more more and more reliable Tesla brand superchargers out there. This is more a statement from GM/Ford that third party chargers have failed and we can't rely on them. GM/Ford aren't going to build their own network so their only option is to join Tesla.

vel0city 3y ago

The vast majority of people here complaining about CCS have probably never even handled the connector much less actually used a CCS car.