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Reddit of 2023 is not the same place as reddit of 2013. It has been transforming slowly from the internet's biggest forum to just another social media site. You

Reddit of 2023 is not the same place as reddit of 2013. It has been transforming slowly from the internet's biggest forum to just another social media site. You can still find some of the spirit of old-reddit in smaller subs but the large ones have entirely changed. This is good or bad depending on who you are. If you're a user who went to reddit to have conversations with people online, it's bad. If you're that user, this API change and loss of 3rd party apps is yet another nail in the coffin. If you're a newer user (~5 years) who came to reddit for its social media experience and just want a feed to scroll with memes and pictures of cats, this is API/3rd party app drama is entirely irrelevant to you. This is now the majority of reddit by far, which means reddit the company is just fine. There's nowhere to go for us classic forum people. There is no equivalent to 2013 reddit. I'm would love for this to be a kick in the ass and to be enough to jump start alternatives, but right now I'm not optimistic. Too much focus on decentralization etc. which I think introduces too much friction for not enough gain.

witoldw 3y ago
Man. I'm old. I'm goin' back to /. where CowboyNeil at least warned us when he was going to do something stupid.
- andrewinardeer 3y ago
  I was there the day they introduced commenting.
Karrot_Kream 3y ago
This is a very different problem than the current Reddit API pricing outrage though. The demographic of us who want a "big Internet forum" is small, probably too small to cater to as a social media company. We also tend to be highly opinionated which means it takes more effort from devs (aka $$$) to satisfy us ("I hate Electron I won't use that bloated POS", "Javascript is evil", "my browser should be my user agent", "my distro doesn't package the libraries that are needed to build this app".) I just don't think there's a site at scale willing to hold people like us. As you say, Reddit has slowly been transforming into yet another social media site. Maybe federated protocols (ActivityPub like Lemmy/Mastodon, ATProto, etc) can win out. More and more of my topically focused conversations these days happen on Matrix and Discord. It's much more like IRC than forums, but it's generally much easier to stay on topic and the smaller crowd sizes make moderation a much simpler process. I'm also just fine with folks like us scattering into niche spaces. Our interests are niche, our habits are niche, a niche space suits us more than the "social media mall." (I also do use social media for more social media like experiences, but I consider that to be separate from chatting topically about my interests.)
vanilla_nut 3y ago
Why don't niche subreddits just start web forums up again? It's simple enough to pay the hosting bills with some sideroll ads (that clever admins could even sell at a premium, thanks to their highly niche audience). Of course, today's Reddit mods would have to reskill a bit to run a forum, pick up some admin tasks, etc. But if they're already donating tons of free time to moderate that might not be a huge deal. I use maybe 2-5 subreddits at this point because Reddit has rotted out so much. At least half of those are shutting down permanently as a result of the API changes, and the other half are participating in the blackout. I don't need a shared account across all of those services. In fact, I tend to visit subreddits individually anyway so I don't have to guess about the context of every post. None of my favorite subreddits rely heavily on photo posts, which keeps hosting costs low. In fact, I notice a strong association between quality and text-only subs, likely because it keeps the lowest quality memes away. It might not work for every subreddit -- I don't anticipate the denizens of /r/funny would embrace a web forum -- but for hobby, book, and series-related communities, web forums have been around a whole lot longer than Reddit. Reddit only took over because it was marginally cheaper and easier to host; if mods lose their useful mod tools and power users lose bearable and efficient methods of browsing, forums start to look mighty attractive again.
- bibabaloo 3y ago
  I think it's primarily because of discovery. Reddit makes it really easy to find communities for your interests and makes it low effort to start engaging with them. I don't need to check 10 different forums, I just load up my Reddit home page.
- tayo42 3y ago
  Is there something like phpbb or vbulliten but with threaded comments? Reddit's comments experience was pretty nice at the time. Information dense. Same as this site
krvajal 3y ago
> There's nowhere to go for us classic forum people. You are already here

witoldw 3y ago

Man. I'm old. I'm goin' back to /. where CowboyNeil at least warned us when he was going to do something stupid.

andrewinardeer 3y ago
I was there the day they introduced commenting.

Karrot_Kream 3y ago

This is a very different problem than the current Reddit API pricing outrage though. The demographic of us who want a "big Internet forum" is small, probably too small to cater to as a social media company. We also tend to be highly opinionated which means it takes more effort from devs (aka $$$) to satisfy us ("I hate Electron I won't use that bloated POS", "Javascript is evil", "my browser should be my user agent", "my distro doesn't package the libraries that are needed to build this app".) I just don't think there's a site at scale willing to hold people like us. As you say, Reddit has slowly been transforming into yet another social media site. Maybe federated protocols (ActivityPub like Lemmy/Mastodon, ATProto, etc) can win out. More and more of my topically focused conversations these days happen on Matrix and Discord. It's much more like IRC than forums, but it's generally much easier to stay on topic and the smaller crowd sizes make moderation a much simpler process. I'm also just fine with folks like us scattering into niche spaces. Our interests are niche, our habits are niche, a niche space suits us more than the "social media mall." (I also do use social media for more social media like experiences, but I consider that to be separate from chatting topically about my interests.)

vanilla_nut 3y ago

Why don't niche subreddits just start web forums up again? It's simple enough to pay the hosting bills with some sideroll ads (that clever admins could even sell at a premium, thanks to their highly niche audience). Of course, today's Reddit mods would have to reskill a bit to run a forum, pick up some admin tasks, etc. But if they're already donating tons of free time to moderate that might not be a huge deal. I use maybe 2-5 subreddits at this point because Reddit has rotted out so much. At least half of those are shutting down permanently as a result of the API changes, and the other half are participating in the blackout. I don't need a shared account across all of those services. In fact, I tend to visit subreddits individually anyway so I don't have to guess about the context of every post. None of my favorite subreddits rely heavily on photo posts, which keeps hosting costs low. In fact, I notice a strong association between quality and text-only subs, likely because it keeps the lowest quality memes away. It might not work for every subreddit -- I don't anticipate the denizens of /r/funny would embrace a web forum -- but for hobby, book, and series-related communities, web forums have been around a whole lot longer than Reddit. Reddit only took over because it was marginally cheaper and easier to host; if mods lose their useful mod tools and power users lose bearable and efficient methods of browsing, forums start to look mighty attractive again.

bibabaloo 3y ago
I think it's primarily because of discovery. Reddit makes it really easy to find communities for your interests and makes it low effort to start engaging with them. I don't need to check 10 different forums, I just load up my Reddit home page.
tayo42 3y ago
Is there something like phpbb or vbulliten but with threaded comments? Reddit's comments experience was pretty nice at the time. Information dense. Same as this site

krvajal 3y ago

> There's nowhere to go for us classic forum people. You are already here