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Billions wasted pursuing publication over meaningful effort.

by LanceH 3y ago

ftxbro 3y ago
how will they know you're good if you don't have good metrics in Science and Nature
- Lk7Of3vfJS2n 3y ago
  By creating something they couldn't.
seydor 3y ago
Ultimately pursuing grants
somat 3y ago
Publication is the results. The effort is meaningless if no one knows about it. https://gwern.net/maze https://gwern.net/maze Yes but what about all this unnecessary gatekeeping? gatekeeping is necessary to maintain a certain level of quality. On this specific issue of formatting gatekeeping. There was no conspiracy. I imagine that the policy solidified over time. The paper wants to maintain a specific look. Authors are upset when changes get introduced while formatting. The paper then says "you can format it yourself if it meets our specification". Now you have to format it yourself. Thankfully in our web enabled era there a ways to publish without going through a traditional publisher. However you will note that the quality of these publishers is a mixed bag, real science right next to quackery. No one has done the gatekeeping needed to separate the wheat from the chaff.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > Publication is the results. > The paper wants to maintain a specific look. Which does the paper want more? To be the first with the results or to appear a particular way? Do the appearances help with "the results?"
  - somat 3y ago
    First is usually not a huge worry. There are times where you are competing with someone else in the same field and want to be first. But most of the time you are just hoping someone is interested enough to get additional funding to peruse the project. The researcher wants their results published via the most respected publisher possible. The publisher wants to increase their respect(and desirability) by picking the most respectable results. If the researcher is unable to to get published by the ideal respectable source they will have to settle with a less respectful source. How much does having a consistent "look" lend itself to the perceived professionalism and respect a journal has? Scattered additional thoughts on desirability of publishing platforms. * Self publish(and hope you are famous enough to get noticed) * Publishing company that does little to no checking of papers. * open web based publishing. * corporate researcher, all published results stay in corporate library.

Billions wasted pursuing publication over meaningful effort.

by LanceH 3y ago

Billions wasted pursuing publication over meaningful effort.

ftxbro 3y ago

how will they know you're good if you don't have good metrics in Science and Nature

Lk7Of3vfJS2n 3y ago
By creating something they couldn't.

seydor 3y ago

Ultimately pursuing grants

somat 3y ago

Publication is the results. The effort is meaningless if no one knows about it. https://gwern.net/maze https://gwern.net/maze Yes but what about all this unnecessary gatekeeping? gatekeeping is necessary to maintain a certain level of quality. On this specific issue of formatting gatekeeping. There was no conspiracy. I imagine that the policy solidified over time. The paper wants to maintain a specific look. Authors are upset when changes get introduced while formatting. The paper then says "you can format it yourself if it meets our specification". Now you have to format it yourself. Thankfully in our web enabled era there a ways to publish without going through a traditional publisher. However you will note that the quality of these publishers is a mixed bag, real science right next to quackery. No one has done the gatekeeping needed to separate the wheat from the chaff.

akira2501 3y ago
> Publication is the results. > The paper wants to maintain a specific look. Which does the paper want more? To be the first with the results or to appear a particular way? Do the appearances help with "the results?"
- somat 3y ago
  First is usually not a huge worry. There are times where you are competing with someone else in the same field and want to be first. But most of the time you are just hoping someone is interested enough to get additional funding to peruse the project. The researcher wants their results published via the most respected publisher possible. The publisher wants to increase their respect(and desirability) by picking the most respectable results. If the researcher is unable to to get published by the ideal respectable source they will have to settle with a less respectful source. How much does having a consistent "look" lend itself to the perceived professionalism and respect a journal has? Scattered additional thoughts on desirability of publishing platforms. * Self publish(and hope you are famous enough to get noticed) * Publishing company that does little to no checking of papers. * open web based publishing. * corporate researcher, all published results stay in corporate library.