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> I'm not sure who was on the other end of the call He mentions that it was spez AKA Steve Huffman the CEO of reddit. The call really does sound amateurish and

> I'm not sure who was on the other end of the call He mentions that it was spez AKA Steve Huffman the CEO of reddit. The call really does sound amateurish and the joke/negotiation tactic/money request/??? was really unprofessional but Steve seems to have completely misconstrued the whole interaction and blown up at him. I would say this is worse of the CEO to use this to spread slander especially when he already apologised for misunderstanding Selig and then privately walked it back

nulltype 3y ago
It seems a number of people believe that the recorded call has Steve Huffman talking, but I don’t see this claim anywhere in the original post.
- aniforprez 3y ago
  If you read the section titled "Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit", he is directly addressing Steve. He starts with the transcript of the private mod call with Steve and then begins addressing Steve directly. The "you" in that section is the Steve Huffman he had calls with who heard the "threatening" bit
  - nulltype 3y ago
    Yeah that part says it’s Steve but where does it say it’s Steve in the phone recording? It just says “Reddit” in the transcript.
    - nulltype 3y ago
      Ah I see that he is claiming it’s Steve Huffman via all the use of “you” there.
      - aniforprez 3y ago
        I think you're right. The Apollo dev didn't directly mention them by name but re-reading the post, I agree that that was not spez. My mistake
      - onionisafruit 3y ago
        He later says that he has not personally talked to Steve Huffman.
deminature 3y ago
Steve appears to have assumed there is no recording, so he can represent the conversation dishonestly. Unfortunately, there is a recording, so we can all hear that it wasn't a threat and that the reddit representative admitted that on the call. The optics of ineptly smearing Christian look terrible for Reddit management.
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soraminazuki 3y ago
That joke about the $10M wasn't unprofessional at all. If Steve was honest about the $20M per year opportunity cost, he would've instantly agreed to a one time $10M. Then Reddit would gain an additional $20M per year. But it was only a joke because Steve was lying about the $20M opportunity. Christian is acting in a surprisingly civil manner despite the repeated lies and smears made by Steve and others at Reddit. I see that as being professional.
- arrrg 3y ago
  That makes no logical sense at all. Why go for $10m if there is no need to because you have already adjusted your own pricing upwards. Also, what things are priced at is not what they cost …
  - soraminazuki 3y ago
    Reddit specifically said that killing third apps wasn’t their intention, and wanted apps to pay a reasonable amount to cover the costs. > Also, what things are priced at is not what they cost … So if that’s the best argument in favor of Reddit, then it’s Reddit that’s being illogical. Or to be more straight, lying. > Why go for $10m if there is no need to because you have already adjusted your own pricing upwards. Because $20M is neither the amount Christian was earning, nor the cost that Reddit was paying to provide API access. Steve explicitly said it was a lost opportunity. There was simply no way that Christian could’ve paid that insane price. However, Reddit could’ve earned $20M themselves per year by acquiring Apollo. If the $20M opportunity was even remotely true, that is.

nulltype 3y ago

It seems a number of people believe that the recorded call has Steve Huffman talking, but I don’t see this claim anywhere in the original post.

aniforprez 3y ago
If you read the section titled "Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit", he is directly addressing Steve. He starts with the transcript of the private mod call with Steve and then begins addressing Steve directly. The "you" in that section is the Steve Huffman he had calls with who heard the "threatening" bit
- nulltype 3y ago
  Yeah that part says it’s Steve but where does it say it’s Steve in the phone recording? It just says “Reddit” in the transcript.
  - nulltype 3y ago
    Ah I see that he is claiming it’s Steve Huffman via all the use of “you” there.
    - aniforprez 3y ago
      I think you're right. The Apollo dev didn't directly mention them by name but re-reading the post, I agree that that was not spez. My mistake
    - onionisafruit 3y ago
      He later says that he has not personally talked to Steve Huffman.

deminature 3y ago

Steve appears to have assumed there is no recording, so he can represent the conversation dishonestly. Unfortunately, there is a recording, so we can all hear that it wasn't a threat and that the reddit representative admitted that on the call. The optics of ineptly smearing Christian look terrible for Reddit management.

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soraminazuki 3y ago

That joke about the $10M wasn't unprofessional at all. If Steve was honest about the $20M per year opportunity cost, he would've instantly agreed to a one time $10M. Then Reddit would gain an additional $20M per year. But it was only a joke because Steve was lying about the $20M opportunity. Christian is acting in a surprisingly civil manner despite the repeated lies and smears made by Steve and others at Reddit. I see that as being professional.

arrrg 3y ago
That makes no logical sense at all. Why go for $10m if there is no need to because you have already adjusted your own pricing upwards. Also, what things are priced at is not what they cost …
- soraminazuki 3y ago
  Reddit specifically said that killing third apps wasn’t their intention, and wanted apps to pay a reasonable amount to cover the costs. > Also, what things are priced at is not what they cost … So if that’s the best argument in favor of Reddit, then it’s Reddit that’s being illogical. Or to be more straight, lying. > Why go for $10m if there is no need to because you have already adjusted your own pricing upwards. Because $20M is neither the amount Christian was earning, nor the cost that Reddit was paying to provide API access. Steve explicitly said it was a lost opportunity. There was simply no way that Christian could’ve paid that insane price. However, Reddit could’ve earned $20M themselves per year by acquiring Apollo. If the $20M opportunity was even remotely true, that is.