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I'm shocked that people are interpreting this as not fishing for a payoff, honestly. "We can both skip off into the sunset" does not mean "rewrite the app to d

by defen 3y ago

I'm shocked that people are interpreting this as not fishing for a payoff, honestly. "We can both skip off into the sunset" does not mean "rewrite the app to do fewer API calls", as he tries to claim later in the call. It means it's done, over, everyone is happy. And why would he say "mostly joking" if he actually meant doing fewer API requests? Nothing about this recording or transcript makes me think Selig is an honest person.

roflyear 3y ago
That isn't what he claims later in the call. He claims that he'd shut down the app for $10m. How is that unreasonable?
- dbbk 3y ago
  The app is getting shut down for $0 regardless, why would anyone pay $10m to shut it down?
  - actionablefiber 3y ago
    I'm sure the price is negotiable. Off the top of my head, the reasons you'd pay any nonzero amount of money for it are: 1. You avoid all of this drama. Christian makes a post that says, "Reddit offered me a lot of money and I said yes because I want to have a lot of money. It's been a pleasure working with them and it's been a pleasure developing Apollo for you. Peace out." Reddit ran this playbook with Alien Blue and it worked out. 2. Reddit could rather enshittify Apollo gradually, and/or fold Apollo's subscription model into Reddit's own model to maintain a premium power-user experience. It is an absurdly well-polished app, even if you added advertisements to it. It is a better user experience if the app gets worse slowly than if it disappears all at once and forces everyone to migrate to a new app. Reddit ran this playbook with Alien Blue and it worked out.
    - haarolean 3y ago
      Enshittify! What a nice verb
      - actionablefiber 3y ago
        Thank Cory Doctorow[1] for that one. [1]https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/ https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
  - roflyear 3y ago
    The goal of reddit here is to obviously shut down the app, he was saying "just pay me then" - he's obviously annoyed. Stupid thing for him to say for sure, it shut the "negotiation" down.

by defen 3y ago

roflyear 3y ago

That isn't what he claims later in the call. He claims that he'd shut down the app for $10m. How is that unreasonable?

dbbk 3y ago
The app is getting shut down for $0 regardless, why would anyone pay $10m to shut it down?
- actionablefiber 3y ago
  I'm sure the price is negotiable. Off the top of my head, the reasons you'd pay any nonzero amount of money for it are: 1. You avoid all of this drama. Christian makes a post that says, "Reddit offered me a lot of money and I said yes because I want to have a lot of money. It's been a pleasure working with them and it's been a pleasure developing Apollo for you. Peace out." Reddit ran this playbook with Alien Blue and it worked out. 2. Reddit could rather enshittify Apollo gradually, and/or fold Apollo's subscription model into Reddit's own model to maintain a premium power-user experience. It is an absurdly well-polished app, even if you added advertisements to it. It is a better user experience if the app gets worse slowly than if it disappears all at once and forces everyone to migrate to a new app. Reddit ran this playbook with Alien Blue and it worked out.
  - haarolean 3y ago
    Enshittify! What a nice verb
    - actionablefiber 3y ago
      Thank Cory Doctorow[1] for that one. [1]https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/ https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
- roflyear 3y ago
  The goal of reddit here is to obviously shut down the app, he was saying "just pay me then" - he's obviously annoyed. Stupid thing for him to say for sure, it shut the "negotiation" down.