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Respectfully, I don't really agree at all. The crime wave that these cities are willingly welcoming and not stopping, is going to create new Detroits, or St Lou

by PKop 3y ago

Respectfully, I don't really agree at all. The crime wave that these cities are willingly welcoming and not stopping, is going to create new Detroits, or St Louis, or Baltimores...but actually probably just worse. I don't think you need to have crime, open drug use, harassment by mentally ill and homeless...all sorts of things that are pushing corporations, and workers, to simply move out of the cities, abandon projects or large retail presence (Whole Foods, Hilton San Francisco Union Square, Parc 55 etc). I think gentrification is good, actually. Having a nice safe clean productive city with wealth and investment flowing in vs out is good actually. Having crime, degradation, and flight is bad. If law and order was established across many cities, then even in lower income neighborhoods and housing units there could be safety and stablity; it wouldn't have to come at a premium. I mean I'm sure there is a type that likes everything you describe, but personally it just seems like nonsense to me. I'd prefer to not have harassment on public transportation or in the streets walking home at night. And if I made good money working in the city, then good for me. If the selling point going forward is, "Come to the big city..it will cost more than your smaller town, but at least we have crime and grunginess to go with it!", I think these cities and businesses and productive people that stick around there (they won't) are going to have a bad time. Part of dynamic during the era you describe is there was 0 remote work for all industries, while being centered in certain metros. Now people won't put up with that bullshit like they had to back then.

dogman144 3y ago
For people that liked wonderland in a city vs a city, this is certainly the mindset. That said, drugs and crime and… aren’t a forgone conclusion if NYC gets cheaper and local businesses can afford to come back and cultural folks can find places that aren’t 3k. Both are likely to happen if nyc tanks a bit. The crime isn’t necessarily likely. A lot of other cities manage it.
otikik 3y ago
Gentrification is not the opposite of crime. If anything, it incentivizes it, because there’s a concentration of wealth surrounded by depressed, displaced and discontent people. Peak Gentrification is when only gated communities with a lot of armed guards don’t have crime, and everyone else is a hellhole. That’s how it is already in many developing countries’ rich neighborhoods.
- vGPU 3y ago
  Not really. It rapidly causes increased pressure on local LEO to increase presence while at the same time voting for policies that increase taxation and cost of living will drive the poor out of the area.
  - otikik 3y ago
    We are saying the same thing. The poor don’t dissolve in thin air. They are still there. Only with less quality of life, and with a high concentration of wealth nearby, in what used to be “their” place. Put two and two together.

by PKop 3y ago

dogman144 3y ago

For people that liked wonderland in a city vs a city, this is certainly the mindset. That said, drugs and crime and… aren’t a forgone conclusion if NYC gets cheaper and local businesses can afford to come back and cultural folks can find places that aren’t 3k. Both are likely to happen if nyc tanks a bit. The crime isn’t necessarily likely. A lot of other cities manage it.

otikik 3y ago

Gentrification is not the opposite of crime. If anything, it incentivizes it, because there’s a concentration of wealth surrounded by depressed, displaced and discontent people. Peak Gentrification is when only gated communities with a lot of armed guards don’t have crime, and everyone else is a hellhole. That’s how it is already in many developing countries’ rich neighborhoods.

vGPU 3y ago
Not really. It rapidly causes increased pressure on local LEO to increase presence while at the same time voting for policies that increase taxation and cost of living will drive the poor out of the area.
- otikik 3y ago
  We are saying the same thing. The poor don’t dissolve in thin air. They are still there. Only with less quality of life, and with a high concentration of wealth nearby, in what used to be “their” place. Put two and two together.