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OK, now we need immigration reform to actually get enough people to work on everything.

mwbajor 3y ago
I want to make sure americans have the first shot at the job but I also want to make sure that the USA does brain drain the rest of the world so that there is absolutely no way to compete with us. I am all for immigration reform as long as it prioritizes americans heavily. This means no H1B abuse but with congress getting massive subsidies from H1B mills, I don't think this will happen.
- FpUser 3y ago
  >"I also want to make sure that the USA does brain drain the rest of the world so that there is absolutely no way to compete with us." "The rest of the world" might have a little problem with that.
  - mwbajor 3y ago
    Yea I know. Everyone should bargain in their people's own self interest.
  - bsder 3y ago
    > "The rest of the world" might have a little problem with that. Good. Smart people having more leverage will topple places with shitty governments faster or consign those countries to the dustbin.
    - jl6 3y ago
      If all the smart people leave, are the remainder really going to be more effective at toppling shitty governments?
      - gumballindie 3y ago
        I dont think smart people ever toppled a government. Dictatorships usually rely on many, many, not smart people. They collapse when these people became hungry and desperate. If they are well fed and entertained they will happily “eat” the smart people. So if you want dictatorships to collapse it’s best to let the smart people leave, so no one can run the country, and the not smart people get angry at their government.
        FpUser 3y ago
        >"and the not smart people get angry at their government." They will just kill bad dictator and install "good" one
activiation 3y ago
I worked for a while at a farm processing potatoes ... Let me tell you that they aren't lacking Mexicans (most people didn't speak English and this was in Florida)
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  TIL that there are potatoes grown in FL.
  - activiation 3y ago
    Lots of peanuts too
- sacnoradhq 3y ago
  I think they're trying to say "an efficient and effective process that treats guest workers less like criminals at the mercy of big ag." There are many interests who benefit from keeping undocumented people undocumented.
robocat 3y ago
Currently people born outside the US make up ~15% of population in the USA. Let’s say you want to increase that to 20% over $x years. Now you need 5% more houses, 5% more cars, 5% more electricity, 5% more infrastructure, and ~33% more immigrant support services. Immigration is not a simple sticky-plaster - it has deep impacts on every part of your country’s infrastructure and services. It can work, but it ain’t easy: I live in New Zealand where ~30% of our population is people that were not born here (New Zealand is quite picky about who gets to come here, so we have less structural problems than some European countries that accept large numbers of refugees with little opportunity to filter for the most suitable people). New Zealand has been building housing at a fast pace to keep up with the ~50% increase over the “native” population. How many places in the US can absorb the pressures of increasing immigrant numbers?

I want to make sure americans have the first shot at the job but I also want to make sure that the USA does brain drain the rest of the world so that there is absolutely no way to compete with us. I am all for immigration reform as long as it prioritizes americans heavily. This means no H1B abuse but with congress getting massive subsidies from H1B mills, I don't think this will happen.

FpUser 3y ago
>"I also want to make sure that the USA does brain drain the rest of the world so that there is absolutely no way to compete with us." "The rest of the world" might have a little problem with that.
- mwbajor 3y ago
  Yea I know. Everyone should bargain in their people's own self interest.
- bsder 3y ago
  > "The rest of the world" might have a little problem with that. Good. Smart people having more leverage will topple places with shitty governments faster or consign those countries to the dustbin.
  - jl6 3y ago
    If all the smart people leave, are the remainder really going to be more effective at toppling shitty governments?
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      I dont think smart people ever toppled a government. Dictatorships usually rely on many, many, not smart people. They collapse when these people became hungry and desperate. If they are well fed and entertained they will happily “eat” the smart people. So if you want dictatorships to collapse it’s best to let the smart people leave, so no one can run the country, and the not smart people get angry at their government.
      - FpUser 3y ago
        >"and the not smart people get angry at their government." They will just kill bad dictator and install "good" one

activiation 3y ago

I worked for a while at a farm processing potatoes ... Let me tell you that they aren't lacking Mexicans (most people didn't speak English and this was in Florida)

UncleOxidant 3y ago
TIL that there are potatoes grown in FL.
- activiation 3y ago
  Lots of peanuts too
sacnoradhq 3y ago
I think they're trying to say "an efficient and effective process that treats guest workers less like criminals at the mercy of big ag." There are many interests who benefit from keeping undocumented people undocumented.

robocat 3y ago

Currently people born outside the US make up ~15% of population in the USA. Let’s say you want to increase that to 20% over $x years. Now you need 5% more houses, 5% more cars, 5% more electricity, 5% more infrastructure, and ~33% more immigrant support services. Immigration is not a simple sticky-plaster - it has deep impacts on every part of your country’s infrastructure and services. It can work, but it ain’t easy: I live in New Zealand where ~30% of our population is people that were not born here (New Zealand is quite picky about who gets to come here, so we have less structural problems than some European countries that accept large numbers of refugees with little opportunity to filter for the most suitable people). New Zealand has been building housing at a fast pace to keep up with the ~50% increase over the “native” population. How many places in the US can absorb the pressures of increasing immigrant numbers?