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Regardless of how simple the business case for this change is or is not, Steve's choice to egregiously lie about his conversation with Christian is a completely

Regardless of how simple the business case for this change is or is not, Steve's choice to egregiously lie about his conversation with Christian is a completely unnecessary and frankly daft risk to take. It's bullying, and he was almost immediately caught out as a liar. I cannot understand how anyone in his team with a sturdy ethical compass could look him in the eye after seeing that post, especially if they were party to the original conversation. I can't remember the last time I saw a corporate leader get caught in such a high profile absolute falsehood, especially directed at a single individual. If this reflects the company's culture I have no idea how it can succeed as a public firm. How will Steve deal with criticism from public investors? What is he not willing to lie about?

voisin 3y ago
> Steve's choice to egregiously lie about his conversation with Christian Can you point to a source for this for those of us not familiar with his comments?
- mustacheemperor 3y ago
  The thread linked at the top of this page covers the accusations made by Steve directed at Christian and includes the call recordings Steve was apparently unaware of completely contradicting those accusations. Additionally, someone else in the comments here linked the text of a post[0] made in /r/partnercommunities with similar accusations to what's quoted in TFA. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_claim_apollo_threatened_them_whats_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_c...
  - voisin 3y ago
    Thanks!
  - voisin 3y ago
    > Why charge? > It’s very expensive to run – it takes millions of dollars to effectively subsidize other people’s businesses / apps. > It’s an extraordinary amount of data, and these are for-profit businesses built on our data for free. This is rich. The entire for-profit Reddit business is based on people contributing data for free, subsidizing their for-profit business. These guys couldn’t be any more clueless.
    - mustacheemperor 3y ago
      I remember a long while back someone on HN characterized the Reddit leadership team as like a regular driver who's dropped into the seat of a formula 1 car halfway through a race, in the lead. Tons of momentum but the person at the controls can't keep from steering it into the wall.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        It hasn't stopped them from becoming personally wealthy and "powerful" in whatever world they live in. If you keep being told not to touch the hot stove, but not touching the hot stove doesn't burn you, not only will you NOT learn to not touch the stove, but you will learn to not listen to people who tell you not to do other things. We owe it to the world to make sure touching the stove DOES burn you, otherwise it's just DARE all over again.
- spamboy 3y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w... See the section titled “ Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit”
  - voisin 3y ago
    Thanks!
- prawn 3y ago
  Were Christian's conversations actually with Steve? Or were they with another employee, and then Steve mischaracterised them? It mentioned that an employee denied Christian access to Steve. I don't use the app and I don't have any great attachment to Reddit, but I wondered if Reddit screwed themselves a bit here by not having a clearer link between the two parties. If either the Reddit employees involved or Steve entered the fray with any sort of bias/grievance, they likely misinterpreted the developer's comments.
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FormerBandmate 3y ago
Reddit is terrible at everything but getting a massive user base in the early 2010s, which it has coasted on since. They could have had a phenomenal IPO in 2021, but with the current market conditions they don’t really have a hook (no AI involvement). Their best case scenario is really Twitter’s case, where they go public, have middling performance, and then get bought out by a billionaire after annoying them with bad moderation decisions lmao
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voisin 3y ago

> Steve's choice to egregiously lie about his conversation with Christian Can you point to a source for this for those of us not familiar with his comments?

mustacheemperor 3y ago
The thread linked at the top of this page covers the accusations made by Steve directed at Christian and includes the call recordings Steve was apparently unaware of completely contradicting those accusations. Additionally, someone else in the comments here linked the text of a post[0] made in /r/partnercommunities with similar accusations to what's quoted in TFA. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_claim_apollo_threatened_them_whats_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_c...
- voisin 3y ago
  Thanks!
- voisin 3y ago
  > Why charge? > It’s very expensive to run – it takes millions of dollars to effectively subsidize other people’s businesses / apps. > It’s an extraordinary amount of data, and these are for-profit businesses built on our data for free. This is rich. The entire for-profit Reddit business is based on people contributing data for free, subsidizing their for-profit business. These guys couldn’t be any more clueless.
  - mustacheemperor 3y ago
    I remember a long while back someone on HN characterized the Reddit leadership team as like a regular driver who's dropped into the seat of a formula 1 car halfway through a race, in the lead. Tons of momentum but the person at the controls can't keep from steering it into the wall.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      It hasn't stopped them from becoming personally wealthy and "powerful" in whatever world they live in. If you keep being told not to touch the hot stove, but not touching the hot stove doesn't burn you, not only will you NOT learn to not touch the stove, but you will learn to not listen to people who tell you not to do other things. We owe it to the world to make sure touching the stove DOES burn you, otherwise it's just DARE all over again.
spamboy 3y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w... See the section titled “ Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit”
- voisin 3y ago
  Thanks!
prawn 3y ago
Were Christian's conversations actually with Steve? Or were they with another employee, and then Steve mischaracterised them? It mentioned that an employee denied Christian access to Steve. I don't use the app and I don't have any great attachment to Reddit, but I wondered if Reddit screwed themselves a bit here by not having a clearer link between the two parties. If either the Reddit employees involved or Steve entered the fray with any sort of bias/grievance, they likely misinterpreted the developer's comments.

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FormerBandmate 3y ago

Reddit is terrible at everything but getting a massive user base in the early 2010s, which it has coasted on since. They could have had a phenomenal IPO in 2021, but with the current market conditions they don’t really have a hook (no AI involvement). Their best case scenario is really Twitter’s case, where they go public, have middling performance, and then get bought out by a billionaire after annoying them with bad moderation decisions lmao

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