> I don't see why we can't have clean, low noise, high signal syntax in a language like Rust. My criticism is not the syntax that makes the language more expres

> I don't see why we can't have clean, low noise, high signal syntax in a language like Rust. My criticism is not the syntax that makes the language more expressive - that's essential complexity. As I pointed in Matklad's post you need to add those concepts in or devise a way to infer them, side by side comparisson of Rust/JS is meaningless if one has no concept of lifetime or one abstracts details via GC. > Before Rust everybody[1] seemed to believe we cannot have a safe and natively compiled language. I do agree, but you can't avoid all trade-offs. Rust got safe, natively compiled language by increasing type complexity (adding lifetimes and ownership), and adding more sigil noise. If Rust had GC it would be way simpler and way less usefull. > like the somewhat redundant distinction between dot and double colon I don't think it's redundant. But I'm not a Rust compiler guy.