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wow. Does anyone know where one could get that tarball?

Maxious 15y ago
http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT Lots of other "classic" browsers also mirrored there!
- scanr 15y ago
  Anyone know where to get the server "WWWDaemon_0.1.tar.Z"?
  - andyjohnson0 15y ago
    You could try ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/old/
    - obtu 15y ago
      Here's the oldest so far (1996): ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/old/miniserv/old/webd_4.0B_src.tar.Z
      - playeren 15y ago
        I'm down to '93: ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/httpd/old/WWWDaemon_2.08.tar.Z I would LOVE to find a copy of 0.1
        andyjohnson0 15y ago
        There is a change history for httpd here: http://www.w3.org/Daemon/Features.html http://www.w3.org/Daemon/Features.html. Goes back to 0.1, but interestingly jumps from 2.06 to 2.12. If the first couple of years of work on the first web server are missing then that seems to me to be a minor tragedy, given how absolutely vital this technology has since become. It would be instructive to be able to track the development of the server and understand the learning process by comparing versions. I wonder if its worth asking Tim Berners-Lee about this, since he wrote it? http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before
        playeren 15y ago
        It would definitely be worth it. I would even go so far as calling it a _major_ tragedy if the 0.1 was lost, and would also want to urge CERN to set-up a webserver (at least emulating) running the 0.1 accepting connections on :2784 (the original port used for testing AFAIR). Maybe Henrik Frystyk or some of the other early contributors have a copy laying about. EDIT: Just sent a mail to Frystyk. Someone with a direct or indirect connection to TimBL should also try and contact him. EDIT1: Apparently not. frystyk@microsoft.com doesn't work anymore :( Trying a different route.
        playeren 15y ago
        Frystyk has joined the cause: https://twitter.com/#!/frystyk/status/173128770763501568 https://twitter.com/#!/frystyk/status/173128770763501568
        playeren 15y ago
        Thanks to a redditor we seem to have found the C to 0.2, 0.1 AND 0.0 :) http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/q4e57/help_save_the_worlds_first_webserver_we_need_to/ http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/q4e57/help_save_the...
        andyjohnson0 15y ago
        Amazing effort. Thanks @playern and all the reditors who worked at this. Now that these versions have been found, what should be done with them so we don't have to do this again in twenty years time? I think the found versions should be available on the W3 ftp server along with the later versions. The CERN HTTPD page (http://www.w3.org/Daemon/ http://www.w3.org/Daemon/) has "Dan Connolly httpd@w3.org" at the bottom. He might be the person to approach to arrange this. I also wonder if all the versions should be of the server and browser should be archived on archive.org. They have the infrastructure and organisation to ensure that important cultural artifacts are not lost. There may be copyright issues though. Given my negligible role in this compared to the people who did the real work, I don't want to jump in and contact these organisations unless nobody else wants to. What do you think?
- DanBC 15y ago
  JWZ has some information about running ancient browsers, which tend to fail because of the HOST header. (http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/happy-run-some-old-web-browsers-day/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/happy-run-some-old-web-brows...) Google has a handy list of other interesting early announcements to Usenet: (http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html)
  - there 15y ago
    I remember the version of IE (2?) that shipped with some version of Windows didn't support the Host header and as a result, couldn't access microsoft.com properly, which one had to do to upgrade IE.
    - yuhong 15y ago
      I think you're referring to NT4 which shipped with IE2. IE3 was released a month later and was included with some later CDs.
- kalleboo 15y ago
  I would love to get this compiled and running under modern OS X, but it looks like quite a lot of the app depends on stuff in the nib, and XCode/Interface Builder's file format has changed so many times since then that there's no way to convert it. Anyone have a bunch of old Macs with varying old versions of IB/XCode installed to bring the nib in there up to a modern format, one version at a time?
jonhendry 15y ago
Doesn't appear to be available as source.

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT Lots of other "classic" browsers also mirrored there!

scanr 15y ago
Anyone know where to get the server "WWWDaemon_0.1.tar.Z"?
- andyjohnson0 15y ago
  You could try ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/old/
  - obtu 15y ago
    Here's the oldest so far (1996): ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/old/miniserv/old/webd_4.0B_src.tar.Z
    - playeren 15y ago
      I'm down to '93: ftp://ftp.w3.org/pub/httpd/old/WWWDaemon_2.08.tar.Z I would LOVE to find a copy of 0.1
      - andyjohnson0 15y ago
        There is a change history for httpd here: http://www.w3.org/Daemon/Features.html http://www.w3.org/Daemon/Features.html. Goes back to 0.1, but interestingly jumps from 2.06 to 2.12. If the first couple of years of work on the first web server are missing then that seems to me to be a minor tragedy, given how absolutely vital this technology has since become. It would be instructive to be able to track the development of the server and understand the learning process by comparing versions. I wonder if its worth asking Tim Berners-Lee about this, since he wrote it? http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before
        playeren 15y ago
        It would definitely be worth it. I would even go so far as calling it a _major_ tragedy if the 0.1 was lost, and would also want to urge CERN to set-up a webserver (at least emulating) running the 0.1 accepting connections on :2784 (the original port used for testing AFAIR). Maybe Henrik Frystyk or some of the other early contributors have a copy laying about. EDIT: Just sent a mail to Frystyk. Someone with a direct or indirect connection to TimBL should also try and contact him. EDIT1: Apparently not. frystyk@microsoft.com doesn't work anymore :( Trying a different route.
        playeren 15y ago
        Frystyk has joined the cause: https://twitter.com/#!/frystyk/status/173128770763501568 https://twitter.com/#!/frystyk/status/173128770763501568
        playeren 15y ago
        Thanks to a redditor we seem to have found the C to 0.2, 0.1 AND 0.0 :) http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/q4e57/help_save_the_worlds_first_webserver_we_need_to/ http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/q4e57/help_save_the...
        andyjohnson0 15y ago
        Amazing effort. Thanks @playern and all the reditors who worked at this. Now that these versions have been found, what should be done with them so we don't have to do this again in twenty years time? I think the found versions should be available on the W3 ftp server along with the later versions. The CERN HTTPD page (http://www.w3.org/Daemon/ http://www.w3.org/Daemon/) has "Dan Connolly httpd@w3.org" at the bottom. He might be the person to approach to arrange this. I also wonder if all the versions should be of the server and browser should be archived on archive.org. They have the infrastructure and organisation to ensure that important cultural artifacts are not lost. There may be copyright issues though. Given my negligible role in this compared to the people who did the real work, I don't want to jump in and contact these organisations unless nobody else wants to. What do you think?
DanBC 15y ago
JWZ has some information about running ancient browsers, which tend to fail because of the HOST header. (http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/happy-run-some-old-web-browsers-day/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/happy-run-some-old-web-brows...) Google has a handy list of other interesting early announcements to Usenet: (http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html)
- there 15y ago
  I remember the version of IE (2?) that shipped with some version of Windows didn't support the Host header and as a result, couldn't access microsoft.com properly, which one had to do to upgrade IE.
  - yuhong 15y ago
    I think you're referring to NT4 which shipped with IE2. IE3 was released a month later and was included with some later CDs.
kalleboo 15y ago
I would love to get this compiled and running under modern OS X, but it looks like quite a lot of the app depends on stuff in the nib, and XCode/Interface Builder's file format has changed so many times since then that there's no way to convert it. Anyone have a bunch of old Macs with varying old versions of IB/XCode installed to bring the nib in there up to a modern format, one version at a time?

jonhendry 15y ago

Doesn't appear to be available as source.