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>Do I support the protest/Reddit blackout? >Abundantly. Unlike other social media companies like Facebook and Twitter who pay their moderators as employees, Re

>Do I support the protest/Reddit blackout? >Abundantly. Unlike other social media companies like Facebook and Twitter who pay their moderators as employees, Reddit relies on volunteers to do the hard work for free. I completely understand that when tools they take to do their volunteer, important job are taken away, there is anger and frustration there. While I haven't personally mobilized anyone to participate in the blackout out of fear of retaliation from Reddit, the last thing I want is for that to feel like I don't support the folks speaking up. I wholeheartedly do. >It's been a horrible week, and the kindness Redditors and moderators and communities have shown Apollo and other third-party apps has genuinely made it much more bearable and I am genuinely so appreciative. >I am, admittedly, doubtful Reddit wants to listen to folks anymore so I don't see it having an effect. Man this is just a bummer to read.

_hypx 3y ago
It's moves like these that will create the alternative to Reddit. It was this style of anti-consumer moves that killed Digg. History is repeating itself.
- ptoo 3y ago
  People have tried to create alternatives to Reddit numerous times over previous controversies. It never sticks. I don't see this time being different.
  - _hypx 3y ago
    Largely because there was no need, or the experience was much worse. This is starting to change.
  - howenterprisey 3y ago
    The previous controversies have been stuff that it's pretty easy to not care about. This time, it's actually affecting a fair number of people. We'll have to see if this time is different.
    - zassy 3y ago
      Previous controversies include the subreddit dedicated to jailbait and on multiple occasions protecting abusers and pedophiles. While you might be right, super fucked up if their users care more about third party apps being killed than their long past acceptance of child exploitation.
  - lawn 3y ago
    It never does, until it does. Tha dam will burst, it's not a question of if but when. It's a guarantee from the ever declining quality of reddit.
  - mattgreenrocks 3y ago
    You don’t need all of Reddit. You need enough power users to sustain interest, post content, and launch it. The goal shouldn’t be to replace Reddit as it exists today, because if you go down that route you are doomed to repeat their mistakes of constant growth at the cost of everything else.
    - dt3ft 3y ago
      This is exactly my goal with building https://flingup.com https://flingup.com
  - actionablefiber 3y ago
    Most Reddit alternatives were founded on the basis of defending "free speech" in direct reaction to Reddit banning places like /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/The_Donald. Their userbase predictably filled up quickly with shameless bigots and generated correspondingly bigoted content. I am not absolutely certain that this will produce a viable competitor but I would give it better odds than anything else in the past. It is not only a direct, immediate hit to the enjoyability of being on Reddit for any reason: it also heralds worse changes to come. Deprecating RES and old.reddit is the next natural step. Honestly I would say that apps like Alien Blue and later Apollo made the difference in making Reddit as big and durably popular as it is now. Killing them, especially so visibly and messily, will cause an immediate exodus of some app users and a slow drain of the others. It certainly will not grow Reddit.
    - rcxdude 3y ago
      This. The main issue is there doesn't seem to be a natural alternative like reddit was to digg (since, as you say, the ones that have popped up so far are often quickly filled with people toxic enough to get banned from reddit). So I think any transition will be a lot messier.

_hypx 3y ago

It's moves like these that will create the alternative to Reddit. It was this style of anti-consumer moves that killed Digg. History is repeating itself.

ptoo 3y ago
People have tried to create alternatives to Reddit numerous times over previous controversies. It never sticks. I don't see this time being different.
- _hypx 3y ago
  Largely because there was no need, or the experience was much worse. This is starting to change.
- howenterprisey 3y ago
  The previous controversies have been stuff that it's pretty easy to not care about. This time, it's actually affecting a fair number of people. We'll have to see if this time is different.
  - zassy 3y ago
    Previous controversies include the subreddit dedicated to jailbait and on multiple occasions protecting abusers and pedophiles. While you might be right, super fucked up if their users care more about third party apps being killed than their long past acceptance of child exploitation.
- lawn 3y ago
  It never does, until it does. Tha dam will burst, it's not a question of if but when. It's a guarantee from the ever declining quality of reddit.
- mattgreenrocks 3y ago
  You don’t need all of Reddit. You need enough power users to sustain interest, post content, and launch it. The goal shouldn’t be to replace Reddit as it exists today, because if you go down that route you are doomed to repeat their mistakes of constant growth at the cost of everything else.
  - dt3ft 3y ago
    This is exactly my goal with building https://flingup.com https://flingup.com
- actionablefiber 3y ago
  Most Reddit alternatives were founded on the basis of defending "free speech" in direct reaction to Reddit banning places like /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/The_Donald. Their userbase predictably filled up quickly with shameless bigots and generated correspondingly bigoted content. I am not absolutely certain that this will produce a viable competitor but I would give it better odds than anything else in the past. It is not only a direct, immediate hit to the enjoyability of being on Reddit for any reason: it also heralds worse changes to come. Deprecating RES and old.reddit is the next natural step. Honestly I would say that apps like Alien Blue and later Apollo made the difference in making Reddit as big and durably popular as it is now. Killing them, especially so visibly and messily, will cause an immediate exodus of some app users and a slow drain of the others. It certainly will not grow Reddit.
  - rcxdude 3y ago
    This. The main issue is there doesn't seem to be a natural alternative like reddit was to digg (since, as you say, the ones that have popped up so far are often quickly filled with people toxic enough to get banned from reddit). So I think any transition will be a lot messier.