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That doesn't make r/cigars "not safe for work." It also doesn't make it "not safe for minors." It makes it "something that reddit admins want to force users to

That doesn't make r/cigars "not safe for work." It also doesn't make it "not safe for minors." It makes it "something that reddit admins want to force users to opt into seeing." You're also really really really missing the broader point here. By what metric should something on reddit be "opt in"? There are some things that are obvious that we all tend to agree in, and those fall into the useful mental model of "would you look at this at work?" But r/cigars does not fit into that model, yet it is still labeled as such. That means there is some other model being used to force users to opt into "sensitive" content. So what the fuck is it and why doesn't it apply to marijuana? Or fast food? Or one of a number of other unhealthy things for you? And how many of your links apply to cigars? When was the last time you saw a 15 year old smoking a Padron? Fucking never buddy. It's a non-issue. It might play if it were cigarettes or some other trendy thing, but that's not the case here.

elil17 3y ago
I agree with you that it should apply to other unhealthy things and that the "NSFW" label is a misnomer. However, I have seen children smoking cigars (albeit cheap ones). Evidence suggests that they are doing so because they are imitating their parents or characters in the media. Tobacco use disorder is on track to kill a billion people by the end of the century. 20% of men die from it. Hiding tobacco use from people who don't have tobacco use disorder is one of the best tools we have to prevent the spread, and I'll gladly voice my support for any measure to do that - even if it isn't applied in the most consistent/fair way.
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- burntsushi 3y ago
  All I have to say is that we disagree, and I think your logic is deeply flawed. You're lumping all tobacco use into one category and also seem to be in favor of "any measure" to "hide" it, regardless of its costs and effectiveness. Overall, your position looks incredibly unreasonable to me. I also think that if your reasoning were applied consistently, it would lead to a complete disaster. Basically, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3D8670smTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3D8670smTI

elil17 3y ago

I agree with you that it should apply to other unhealthy things and that the "NSFW" label is a misnomer. However, I have seen children smoking cigars (albeit cheap ones). Evidence suggests that they are doing so because they are imitating their parents or characters in the media. Tobacco use disorder is on track to kill a billion people by the end of the century. 20% of men die from it. Hiding tobacco use from people who don't have tobacco use disorder is one of the best tools we have to prevent the spread, and I'll gladly voice my support for any measure to do that - even if it isn't applied in the most consistent/fair way.

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burntsushi 3y ago
All I have to say is that we disagree, and I think your logic is deeply flawed. You're lumping all tobacco use into one category and also seem to be in favor of "any measure" to "hide" it, regardless of its costs and effectiveness. Overall, your position looks incredibly unreasonable to me. I also think that if your reasoning were applied consistently, it would lead to a complete disaster. Basically, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3D8670smTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3D8670smTI