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“robocallers who targeted Black people with calls promoting a conspiracy theory” Now they phone people to promote conspiracy theories? And yet people find thes

“robocallers who targeted Black people with calls promoting a conspiracy theory” Now they phone people to promote conspiracy theories? And yet people find these political groups trustworthy? I can understand a lie here and there but doing it at an industrial scale is pretty supervise, particularly in democracies.

jfengel 3y ago
The "political group" in this case is a couple of assholes. Nobody should find them the least bit trustworthy. But in a close election, it only takes a few people being fooled in just the right place. As far as charges go there's no direct connection to any "political group" you've heard of. Indirectly... there is no love lost between me and the party they were trying to aid, so I guess you have to take anything I say with a grain of salt. They have a pattern of deceptive practices. https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DeceptivePracticesReportJuly2012FINALpdf.pdf https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dece... https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/deceptive-flyers-target-democratic-voters-east-county%E2%80%94touting-republican-candidates https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/deceptive-flyers-target-d... https://www.pilotonline.com/2009/11/25/no-deception-intended-with-fliers-gop-says/ https://www.pilotonline.com/2009/11/25/no-deception-intended... https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6138925&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6138925&page=1 I don't expect a measly multi-million-dollar fine to change that.
nerdix 3y ago
What do you mean by now? Nixon was using push polls in the 40s. And Lee Atwater mastered it in the 80s and 90s. The main difference between this and a push poll is that this particular tactic is not trying to conceal the conspiracy under the veneer of conducting a poll. And push polls had the goal of making a voter think twice about voting for your opponent (rather than trying to get them to not vote at all). There were racial dynamics with push polling too. Like the push poll Atwater conducted in South Carolina for the GW Bush campaign during the 2000 Republican primary which insinuated that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child (he and his wife had actually adopted an orphan from Bangladesh)

jfengel 3y ago

The "political group" in this case is a couple of assholes. Nobody should find them the least bit trustworthy. But in a close election, it only takes a few people being fooled in just the right place. As far as charges go there's no direct connection to any "political group" you've heard of. Indirectly... there is no love lost between me and the party they were trying to aid, so I guess you have to take anything I say with a grain of salt. They have a pattern of deceptive practices. https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DeceptivePracticesReportJuly2012FINALpdf.pdf https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dece... https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/deceptive-flyers-target-democratic-voters-east-county%E2%80%94touting-republican-candidates https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/deceptive-flyers-target-d... https://www.pilotonline.com/2009/11/25/no-deception-intended-with-fliers-gop-says/ https://www.pilotonline.com/2009/11/25/no-deception-intended... https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6138925&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6138925&page=1 I don't expect a measly multi-million-dollar fine to change that.

nerdix 3y ago

What do you mean by now? Nixon was using push polls in the 40s. And Lee Atwater mastered it in the 80s and 90s. The main difference between this and a push poll is that this particular tactic is not trying to conceal the conspiracy under the veneer of conducting a poll. And push polls had the goal of making a voter think twice about voting for your opponent (rather than trying to get them to not vote at all). There were racial dynamics with push polling too. Like the push poll Atwater conducted in South Carolina for the GW Bush campaign during the 2000 Republican primary which insinuated that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child (he and his wife had actually adopted an orphan from Bangladesh)