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> I typically buy two liter sodas in plastic bottles and avoid softer plastics. If you drink that plastic is the least of your problems > It's also potential

> I typically buy two liter sodas in plastic bottles and avoid softer plastics. If you drink that plastic is the least of your problems > It's also potentially a reason to switch to an electric vehicle -- to avoid exposure to gas fumes while refueling your vehicle. Car interiors are off-gassing nasty shit all the time, especially when they sit in the sun

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Taywee 3y ago
Both of those things are straight-up improvements, even if they're not perfect. You can nit-pick every single thing all you want, but better is better.
- digging 3y ago
  Changing the container your soda comes in is like sanding off splinters from the sharpened stake you're about to stab into your leg.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    It's a lot more complicated than that. And I will note that I drink a lot of tea and fruit juice, which also come in plastic bottles. Most drinks come in plastic or metal containers these days. Most of the time, I buy mine in plastic containers. I wish it were different and I've lived without a car for more than a decade in the US. Try advocating for a less car dependent infrastructure in the US. It gets you mostly pissed on. Individuals have limits on how much they can control given the larger context of the world they live in. Attacking my consumption of cola drinks as the focus willfully ignores my real point that styrofoam food containers are dramatically worse than plastic bottles.
    - carabiner 3y ago
      Not complicated. US has normalized sugar addiction and obesity. Rest of the world sees this as fucking bizarre, like pretending that cigarettes are ok as long as you don't have cancer at the moment.
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        A. I only drink diet coke. It contains no sugar. B. I have a genetic disorder. Diet coke contains extracts from the coca plant -- thus the name "Coca Cola" -- minus the hallucinogen cocaine. They have medicinal effects on the gut and lungs, both important systems significantly impacted by my genetic disorder. C. Before someone else jumps up to tell me I'm evil incarnate, diet coke is the only thing I consume that contains sugar substitutes. I generally avoid them as well. And I drink no other cola drinks. Full stop. I generally don't discuss this on HN. I don't intend to discuss it further in this thread. Note to self: I thought it was just a few of my relatives who were nutters who believe all sodas are the work of the devil and if you have any health issues and ever drink a single drop of cola, your health problems are entirely your fault for drinking colas. But, no, there are more people out there cast from the same mold. Edit: comment not 100 percent accurate. I also drink ginger ale. Feeling like you need to defend your personal choices at gun point from judgy random internet strangers is not the best means to engage in meaningful discussion.
        digging 3y ago
        I'm sorry that I contributed to a judgmental discussion. I was being glib and short-sighted.
    - timeon 3y ago
      > Most drinks come in plastic or metal containers these days. But do people buy those drinks daily? I drink mostly just tap water - because it is convenient - as it is almost everywhere.
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
  - Taywee 3y ago
    That's a ridiculous analogy. What about suger-free sodas, or sparkling water without even artificial sweeteners? What about people who drink soda, but still don't go over the daily recommended sugar intake, and otherwise have healthy lifestyles? I'd be willing to make two assumptions: 1. A gaping wound in your leg is probably less healthy than a moderately-high sugar consumption. 2. People who are concerned about nanoplastic intake are probably also concerned about deleterious health effects of things like sugar intake.
    - ifyoubuildit 3y ago
      I think sparkling water is a great alternative, but I'm skeptical that all the fake sugars will turn out to be much better in the end. We seem to have a habit of replacing known bad things with things that we just haven't found out are bad yet.
      - ricardobeat 3y ago
        Indeed the WHO advised against sweeteners just a couple weeks back: https://www.who.int/news/item/15-05-2023-who-advises-not-to-use-non-sugar-sweeteners-for-weight-control-in-newly-released-guideline https://www.who.int/news/item/15-05-2023-who-advises-not-to-...
        Taywee 3y ago
        Specifically for weight control. If you're already in the middle of the healthy BMI range and not having trouble keeping a healthy weight, I don't think there's been a demonstrated harm.
        ricardobeat 3y ago
        The recommendation is based on studies that suggest significant (negative) changes in the gut microbiome which would apply to everyone. It’s worse for people attempting to lose weight because it apparently doesn’t work for that either, and this is the main reason sweeteners are used.
samstave 3y ago
Exactly! I dont think I have had a 'soda' in at least 15 years. I havent been able to avoid plastic in my life - but I try. For example, pretty much every spoon in my drawer is Bamboo. I have a 'hippy' friend, and he has nearly zero plastic in his kitchen - and he exclusively eats with wooden utensils, stoneware or wooden bowls. I think that ALL single-use-plastics should be replaced by corn-plant-based materials. Single use plastic should be taken out as aggressively as the nazis! :-) Its so bad for everything. We should also be burning down DOW Chemical and the major plastic manufacturers for their lack of any accountability, responsibility. Look at the documentary "the devil we know" about Teflon.
- jackothy 3y ago
  Why bamboo or wood spoons/utensils instead of stainless steel? I would imagine the wood will crack or break after a while, and is harder to clean properly.
- culopatin 3y ago
  You seem to imply that there is plastic in metal spoons since you avoid the material in your examples. I’m yet to open a drawer full of plastic spoons, most of them are stainless, why bring those up in your example in particular?
ok_computer 3y ago
Wait until you you hear what sugar does. Coke has 39g sugar per 12floz or 110,170,000 ug/l lol

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Taywee 3y ago

Both of those things are straight-up improvements, even if they're not perfect. You can nit-pick every single thing all you want, but better is better.

digging 3y ago
Changing the container your soda comes in is like sanding off splinters from the sharpened stake you're about to stab into your leg.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  It's a lot more complicated than that. And I will note that I drink a lot of tea and fruit juice, which also come in plastic bottles. Most drinks come in plastic or metal containers these days. Most of the time, I buy mine in plastic containers. I wish it were different and I've lived without a car for more than a decade in the US. Try advocating for a less car dependent infrastructure in the US. It gets you mostly pissed on. Individuals have limits on how much they can control given the larger context of the world they live in. Attacking my consumption of cola drinks as the focus willfully ignores my real point that styrofoam food containers are dramatically worse than plastic bottles.
  - carabiner 3y ago
    Not complicated. US has normalized sugar addiction and obesity. Rest of the world sees this as fucking bizarre, like pretending that cigarettes are ok as long as you don't have cancer at the moment.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      A. I only drink diet coke. It contains no sugar. B. I have a genetic disorder. Diet coke contains extracts from the coca plant -- thus the name "Coca Cola" -- minus the hallucinogen cocaine. They have medicinal effects on the gut and lungs, both important systems significantly impacted by my genetic disorder. C. Before someone else jumps up to tell me I'm evil incarnate, diet coke is the only thing I consume that contains sugar substitutes. I generally avoid them as well. And I drink no other cola drinks. Full stop. I generally don't discuss this on HN. I don't intend to discuss it further in this thread. Note to self: I thought it was just a few of my relatives who were nutters who believe all sodas are the work of the devil and if you have any health issues and ever drink a single drop of cola, your health problems are entirely your fault for drinking colas. But, no, there are more people out there cast from the same mold. Edit: comment not 100 percent accurate. I also drink ginger ale. Feeling like you need to defend your personal choices at gun point from judgy random internet strangers is not the best means to engage in meaningful discussion.
      - digging 3y ago
        I'm sorry that I contributed to a judgmental discussion. I was being glib and short-sighted.
  - timeon 3y ago
    > Most drinks come in plastic or metal containers these days. But do people buy those drinks daily? I drink mostly just tap water - because it is convenient - as it is almost everywhere.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
- Taywee 3y ago
  That's a ridiculous analogy. What about suger-free sodas, or sparkling water without even artificial sweeteners? What about people who drink soda, but still don't go over the daily recommended sugar intake, and otherwise have healthy lifestyles? I'd be willing to make two assumptions: 1. A gaping wound in your leg is probably less healthy than a moderately-high sugar consumption. 2. People who are concerned about nanoplastic intake are probably also concerned about deleterious health effects of things like sugar intake.
  - ifyoubuildit 3y ago
    I think sparkling water is a great alternative, but I'm skeptical that all the fake sugars will turn out to be much better in the end. We seem to have a habit of replacing known bad things with things that we just haven't found out are bad yet.
    - ricardobeat 3y ago
      Indeed the WHO advised against sweeteners just a couple weeks back: https://www.who.int/news/item/15-05-2023-who-advises-not-to-use-non-sugar-sweeteners-for-weight-control-in-newly-released-guideline https://www.who.int/news/item/15-05-2023-who-advises-not-to-...
      - Taywee 3y ago
        Specifically for weight control. If you're already in the middle of the healthy BMI range and not having trouble keeping a healthy weight, I don't think there's been a demonstrated harm.
        ricardobeat 3y ago
        The recommendation is based on studies that suggest significant (negative) changes in the gut microbiome which would apply to everyone. It’s worse for people attempting to lose weight because it apparently doesn’t work for that either, and this is the main reason sweeteners are used.

samstave 3y ago

Exactly! I dont think I have had a 'soda' in at least 15 years. I havent been able to avoid plastic in my life - but I try. For example, pretty much every spoon in my drawer is Bamboo. I have a 'hippy' friend, and he has nearly zero plastic in his kitchen - and he exclusively eats with wooden utensils, stoneware or wooden bowls. I think that ALL single-use-plastics should be replaced by corn-plant-based materials. Single use plastic should be taken out as aggressively as the nazis! :-) Its so bad for everything. We should also be burning down DOW Chemical and the major plastic manufacturers for their lack of any accountability, responsibility. Look at the documentary "the devil we know" about Teflon.

jackothy 3y ago
Why bamboo or wood spoons/utensils instead of stainless steel? I would imagine the wood will crack or break after a while, and is harder to clean properly.
culopatin 3y ago
You seem to imply that there is plastic in metal spoons since you avoid the material in your examples. I’m yet to open a drawer full of plastic spoons, most of them are stainless, why bring those up in your example in particular?

ok_computer 3y ago

Wait until you you hear what sugar does. Coke has 39g sugar per 12floz or 110,170,000 ug/l lol