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The people who think seed oils are unhealthy and cause inflammation are up there with the most ignorant folks in nutrition.

ch4s3 3y ago
Hearing someone say "seed oils" is a good shibboleth for knowing that your time is about to be wasted.
z9e 3y ago
So, trans fats which are a known contributor to heart disease are healthy now?
- stevebmark 3y ago
  I love comments like these, it keeps reminding me how misinformed the dogmatic folks are in the nutrition community. I'll let you reconsider your question, and also link to you (one of) the double blind, randomized, controlled studies that shows replacing saturated fat with vegetable oil significantly reduced CVD outcomes https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1 .
  - z9e 3y ago
    I love pompous comments like these. I'm not part of a "nutrition community" and I'm actually pretty open minded to these things. Hence why I asked. But you seem to be unable to have a civil conversation without being an asshole. Congrats. Let's throw around studies like pokemon cards then. I have a study too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/
    - stevebmark 3y ago
      Tell me again which seed oils have meaningful amounts of trans fat in them? > I'm not part of a "nutrition community" Your comment implies you're comfortable enough to give other people advice, eg "don't eat seed oils because the contain trans fat," even though they don't. I don't mind so much that people believe whatever they want, it's a problem when you misinform others about it.
      - z9e 3y ago
        The highly processed ones that are hydrogenated, such as cottonseed. Trans fat forms from that process. I think the more worrying thing about vegetable/seed oils is the omega 6. A small amount is not an issue from my understanding. And in fact omega 6 can be healthy for some specific situations. But it’s the fact that these oils are used in just about all processed foods and restaurant cooking to the point where people are consuming more omega 6 than they should be and we’re seeing negative health effects as a result.
whatscooking 3y ago
So having abnormally high omega-6 to omega-3 ratios in your food when natural food hardly has any omega-6 fats doesn’t sound like a problem to you?
- digging 3y ago
  > natural food Are seed oils something other than oil derived from seeds? As in, some of the most natural possible foods?
  - whatscooking 3y ago
    By your argument, HFCS is derived from corn, so it must also be healthy and fit for human consumption. Seed oils are heated at high levels, processed in a petroleum-based solvent such as hexane to maximize the amount of oil extracted from them, and even chemicals are used to deodorize and change the color of the oils. I don’t trust any ultraprocessed food, including seed oils. They are no different, just a cheap filler.

ch4s3 3y ago

Hearing someone say "seed oils" is a good shibboleth for knowing that your time is about to be wasted.

z9e 3y ago

So, trans fats which are a known contributor to heart disease are healthy now?

stevebmark 3y ago
I love comments like these, it keeps reminding me how misinformed the dogmatic folks are in the nutrition community. I'll let you reconsider your question, and also link to you (one of) the double blind, randomized, controlled studies that shows replacing saturated fat with vegetable oil significantly reduced CVD outcomes https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1 .
- z9e 3y ago
  I love pompous comments like these. I'm not part of a "nutrition community" and I'm actually pretty open minded to these things. Hence why I asked. But you seem to be unable to have a civil conversation without being an asshole. Congrats. Let's throw around studies like pokemon cards then. I have a study too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/
  - stevebmark 3y ago
    Tell me again which seed oils have meaningful amounts of trans fat in them? > I'm not part of a "nutrition community" Your comment implies you're comfortable enough to give other people advice, eg "don't eat seed oils because the contain trans fat," even though they don't. I don't mind so much that people believe whatever they want, it's a problem when you misinform others about it.
    - z9e 3y ago
      The highly processed ones that are hydrogenated, such as cottonseed. Trans fat forms from that process. I think the more worrying thing about vegetable/seed oils is the omega 6. A small amount is not an issue from my understanding. And in fact omega 6 can be healthy for some specific situations. But it’s the fact that these oils are used in just about all processed foods and restaurant cooking to the point where people are consuming more omega 6 than they should be and we’re seeing negative health effects as a result.

whatscooking 3y ago

So having abnormally high omega-6 to omega-3 ratios in your food when natural food hardly has any omega-6 fats doesn’t sound like a problem to you?

digging 3y ago
> natural food Are seed oils something other than oil derived from seeds? As in, some of the most natural possible foods?
- whatscooking 3y ago
  By your argument, HFCS is derived from corn, so it must also be healthy and fit for human consumption. Seed oils are heated at high levels, processed in a petroleum-based solvent such as hexane to maximize the amount of oil extracted from them, and even chemicals are used to deodorize and change the color of the oils. I don’t trust any ultraprocessed food, including seed oils. They are no different, just a cheap filler.