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You are right that I'm not French, I'm Swiss and we have 5 years longer until pension. I would love to have solutions which can keep it as low as in France, but

by soco 3y ago

You are right that I'm not French, I'm Swiss and we have 5 years longer until pension. I would love to have solutions which can keep it as low as in France, but I must wonder, how come no other country in the world (except Greece, which defaulted) was able to apply them already? I'll take only one idea from above: I imagine the same people would go on the same streets if their pensions would be reduced, and by the way, even today you can retire earlier with a reduced pension - so I totally miss this point. Same for increasing dues - one can simply put more money aside any time.

sebstefan 3y ago
> You are right that I'm not French, I'm Swiss and we have 5 years longer until pension. I would love to have solutions which can keep it as low as in France, but I must wonder, how come no other country in the world (except Greece, which defaulted) was able to apply them already? You can check the government report on which everything in this pension reform is based on https://www.lexpress.fr/economie/retraites-ce-qu-il-faut-retenir-du-dernier-rapport-du-cor_2180059.html https://www.lexpress.fr/economie/retraites-ce-qu-il-faut-ret... Article fails to mention covid killing off a bunch of old people but the timing of that helped too. We don't do capitalized pensions aka "putting money aside" and we don't want to. We pay for the currently retired with the dues of those currently working in real time Some of the same people would show up in the streets for reduced pensions or increased dues if it came down to a deficit (which isn't the case right now), but nothing like May
- soco 3y ago
  Well then the solution was right there and you say people would go on the streets just as well. A complex but working system of three pillars of pensions vs depending completely on the state with one single pillar, that's the difference between pragmatism and magical thinking.
  - sebstefan 3y ago
    You do realize we go on the streets for everything? >magical thinking. Why do you feel the need to contribute to topics you know nothing about The data is right there: the system was not in a deficit that warranted any drastic action. You're stuck in a swiss "medicine should taste bad" mentality. You fetishized centrism to such a level you're mistaking it for wisdom

by soco 3y ago

sebstefan 3y ago

> You are right that I'm not French, I'm Swiss and we have 5 years longer until pension. I would love to have solutions which can keep it as low as in France, but I must wonder, how come no other country in the world (except Greece, which defaulted) was able to apply them already? You can check the government report on which everything in this pension reform is based on https://www.lexpress.fr/economie/retraites-ce-qu-il-faut-retenir-du-dernier-rapport-du-cor_2180059.html https://www.lexpress.fr/economie/retraites-ce-qu-il-faut-ret... Article fails to mention covid killing off a bunch of old people but the timing of that helped too. We don't do capitalized pensions aka "putting money aside" and we don't want to. We pay for the currently retired with the dues of those currently working in real time Some of the same people would show up in the streets for reduced pensions or increased dues if it came down to a deficit (which isn't the case right now), but nothing like May

soco 3y ago
Well then the solution was right there and you say people would go on the streets just as well. A complex but working system of three pillars of pensions vs depending completely on the state with one single pillar, that's the difference between pragmatism and magical thinking.
- sebstefan 3y ago
  You do realize we go on the streets for everything? >magical thinking. Why do you feel the need to contribute to topics you know nothing about The data is right there: the system was not in a deficit that warranted any drastic action. You're stuck in a swiss "medicine should taste bad" mentality. You fetishized centrism to such a level you're mistaking it for wisdom