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Honestly, it isn't an unreasonable stance. Given that we, and most understandably them, don't really know the consequences of the tech but know it could complet

by tjoff 3y ago

Honestly, it isn't an unreasonable stance. Given that we, and most understandably them, don't really know the consequences of the tech but know it could completely transform society as we know it it is safer if you have a few entities that can control it. Sometimes I get the feeling that we are doomed to get an AI monopoly/duopoly and sometimes the feeling that open source will prosper. And while the enthusiast in me clearly wants it to be open source I don't feel it is a given that society will be better for it.

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
Really? I can't believe that the right approach is to lock up tech, especially with large corporations and/or government holding the keys. Arguably they're the ones most likely to abuse it. Witness Facebook that has actually transformed society raising the lunatic fringe to be on par with the mainstream using the magic of social networks and their algorithms that promote the most profitable speech, regardless of its corrosive effect on society. You don't need fancy AI to destroy the fabric of society. The more appropriate path is developing countermeasures or counter-technology. This is only possible via free and open development of technology. God knows what monstrocity OpenAI, or any other corporation is cooking up behind closed doors. And we know their incentives are not aligned with those of a health functioning society.
- tjoff 3y ago
  > You don't need fancy AI to destroy the fabric of society. You don't, but you can do it a million times worse in just a fraction of the time. Considering how trivial Facebook can worsen our lives just imagine how effective it could be. That is the risk you are taking. Before we have even time to course correct we've lost everything we know. > The more appropriate path is developing countermeasures or counter-technology. If we get good AI the countermeasures are not going to be great. They alone could easily be dystopian. Since, captchas etc. won't be good enough. The only way to TRY and prevent abuse is to ID every action and tie it to a physical person. You could try to make that anonymously but yeah, like that is going to happen. And that is the easy part.
siftrics 3y ago
Honestly, it is an unreasonable stance.

by tjoff 3y ago

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

Really? I can't believe that the right approach is to lock up tech, especially with large corporations and/or government holding the keys. Arguably they're the ones most likely to abuse it. Witness Facebook that has actually transformed society raising the lunatic fringe to be on par with the mainstream using the magic of social networks and their algorithms that promote the most profitable speech, regardless of its corrosive effect on society. You don't need fancy AI to destroy the fabric of society. The more appropriate path is developing countermeasures or counter-technology. This is only possible via free and open development of technology. God knows what monstrocity OpenAI, or any other corporation is cooking up behind closed doors. And we know their incentives are not aligned with those of a health functioning society.

tjoff 3y ago
> You don't need fancy AI to destroy the fabric of society. You don't, but you can do it a million times worse in just a fraction of the time. Considering how trivial Facebook can worsen our lives just imagine how effective it could be. That is the risk you are taking. Before we have even time to course correct we've lost everything we know. > The more appropriate path is developing countermeasures or counter-technology. If we get good AI the countermeasures are not going to be great. They alone could easily be dystopian. Since, captchas etc. won't be good enough. The only way to TRY and prevent abuse is to ID every action and tie it to a physical person. You could try to make that anonymously but yeah, like that is going to happen. And that is the easy part.

siftrics 3y ago

Honestly, it is an unreasonable stance.