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You're exaggerating. Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. Scheduling regular 1:1s with juniors

by pnt12 3y ago

You're exaggerating. Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. Scheduling regular 1:1s with juniors keeps a tight feedback loop. Schedule it once every x weeks and there you go.

haswell 3y ago
> Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. Requesting something and something actually happening are two very different things. There is also a meaningful difference between an in-person group chat and a group chat that will remain visible to the whole team for months or years to come. This request becomes far more than just changing the medium, and requires everyone involved to adjust to the idea that everything they ask can be later analyzed without the context of the moment, and this has a chilling effect on the kinds of things that people are willing to ask. This in turn fundamentally changes the dynamic into something that doesn’t really replace the original junior/senior relationship effectively. Accomplishing what the parent comment is talking about requires far more than “please use the group chat”.
- jasonlotito 3y ago
  > Requesting something and something actually happening are two very different things. i.e., I don't have the respect of the people that are working for me. I never had issues with people making sure chat remained in public channels. > There is also a meaningful difference between an in-person group chat and a group chat that will remain visible to the whole team for months or years to come. One can be referenced later with a simple text search. The other could have been an email. And will probably end up with people forgetting what exactly was said. > requires everyone involved to adjust to the idea that everything they ask can be later analyzed without the context of the moment, and this has a chilling effect on the kinds of things that people are willing to ask. i.e., I work at a toxic company with toxic management. Because those same people were speaking up regularly during in-person meetings and weren't being judged there. Also, let's forget about video/audio. > Accomplishing what the parent comment is talking about requires far more than “please use the group chat.” Sure. It requires effort. No more so than what was required before. The difference? We blindly accepted what came before as the way things were.
  - tezgon 3y ago
    >i.e., I work at a toxic company with toxic management. >Because those same people were speaking up regularly during in-person meetings and weren't being judged there. Since there's far less lawyers on this site than devs (naturally), I'll chime in with my .02c. Face to face is king. Don't say anything you wouldn't want your mom, dog, or the news saying when you wake up tomorrow morning. And you'd be surprised the stuff that people will put into writing, even after repeated notice. Ever work in healthcare and have to deal with HIPAA? It's insane how flippantly I've seen patient info shared, like it's not the first thing drilled into you. It doesn't matter if you are Jesus reincarnate, I'm sure you have said some things you wouldn't want to be read out in court.
fernandotakai 3y ago
>Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. i just did that to my team and not only our productivity got better, but now everyone knows what everybody is doing (my team is brand new, and the company has this culture where everything is DMd instead of being sent into channels).
Gigachad 3y ago
Part of the problem is that the tools we have are awful. Using a group chat on teams feels less like a casual chat with the people around you, and more like ringing a bell in the office to give a formal announcement.

by pnt12 3y ago

haswell 3y ago

> Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. Requesting something and something actually happening are two very different things. There is also a meaningful difference between an in-person group chat and a group chat that will remain visible to the whole team for months or years to come. This request becomes far more than just changing the medium, and requires everyone involved to adjust to the idea that everything they ask can be later analyzed without the context of the moment, and this has a chilling effect on the kinds of things that people are willing to ask. This in turn fundamentally changes the dynamic into something that doesn’t really replace the original junior/senior relationship effectively. Accomplishing what the parent comment is talking about requires far more than “please use the group chat”.

jasonlotito 3y ago
> Requesting something and something actually happening are two very different things. i.e., I don't have the respect of the people that are working for me. I never had issues with people making sure chat remained in public channels. > There is also a meaningful difference between an in-person group chat and a group chat that will remain visible to the whole team for months or years to come. One can be referenced later with a simple text search. The other could have been an email. And will probably end up with people forgetting what exactly was said. > requires everyone involved to adjust to the idea that everything they ask can be later analyzed without the context of the moment, and this has a chilling effect on the kinds of things that people are willing to ask. i.e., I work at a toxic company with toxic management. Because those same people were speaking up regularly during in-person meetings and weren't being judged there. Also, let's forget about video/audio. > Accomplishing what the parent comment is talking about requires far more than “please use the group chat.” Sure. It requires effort. No more so than what was required before. The difference? We blindly accepted what came before as the way things were.
- tezgon 3y ago
  >i.e., I work at a toxic company with toxic management. >Because those same people were speaking up regularly during in-person meetings and weren't being judged there. Since there's far less lawyers on this site than devs (naturally), I'll chime in with my .02c. Face to face is king. Don't say anything you wouldn't want your mom, dog, or the news saying when you wake up tomorrow morning. And you'd be surprised the stuff that people will put into writing, even after repeated notice. Ever work in healthcare and have to deal with HIPAA? It's insane how flippantly I've seen patient info shared, like it's not the first thing drilled into you. It doesn't matter if you are Jesus reincarnate, I'm sure you have said some things you wouldn't want to be read out in court.

fernandotakai 3y ago

>Requesting for people to communicate more in group chats instead of direct messages takes 5 seconds. i just did that to my team and not only our productivity got better, but now everyone knows what everybody is doing (my team is brand new, and the company has this culture where everything is DMd instead of being sent into channels).

Gigachad 3y ago

Part of the problem is that the tools we have are awful. Using a group chat on teams feels less like a casual chat with the people around you, and more like ringing a bell in the office to give a formal announcement.