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As far as I know, the title is wrong, only the senate approved the bill. That's not enough for France to legalize anything The way it works in France is there'

As far as I know, the title is wrong, only the senate approved the bill. That's not enough for France to legalize anything The way it works in France is there's two chambers of parliament, the senate and the Assemblée nationale (that I translate to "the parliament"). Unless the law changes something in the constitution, the senate is just there to advise the parliament. If they'd voted no, it wouldn't have mattered. It is up to the parliament to vote laws into effect But the neolib right, the far-right and the conservative right compose >60% of the parliament so there's no need to hold your horses too much. For the retirement law, they didn't have the support of the far-right. Since I don't think the far-right is going to suddenly find themselves privacy lovers I think we can safely assume it'll go through

disposition2 3y ago
For someone who is unfamiliar with French law, is the parliament able to propose legislature (either by advocating in the senate or by pushing up to the senate)? Or do they only determine / vote on what becomes law?
- sebstefan 3y ago
  The parliament is able to propose legislature yes
- palunon 3y ago
  The national assembly (our House) is usually the one with the last say. Bills are either "law proposals", meaning they are introduced by parliament members, or "law project", introduced by the government.
rjzzleep 3y ago
Parliament certainly didn't stop Macron from pushing threw the pension reform against the will of virtually everyone. It's a pity that most of the media doesn't cover the legitimate concerns of the french population.
- q87b 3y ago
  The media was full of the concerns of the french population about the pension reform.
- soco 3y ago
  The french population is indeed concerned by the increasing of the pension age, but not concerned at all with the price paid by their own children for not increasing it. So I wouldn't call the concerns of the population necessarily legitimate, as present and pressing as they might be.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    But if the public is ok with paying this despite the increasing cost, why block them? France has some of the best welfare in the world and from what I hear from my French friends they're not opposed to paying for it, unlike more neoliberal countries where tax is a swear word.
    - Aunche 3y ago
      The public isn't ok with paying for it though. They only want to receive it. The yellow vests were protesting a level of taxation that couldn't sustain the pensions, let alone one that can.
  - rjzzleep 3y ago
    There is a lot more immediate causes for the drop of living standards in France than the pension reform. Virtue signaling at the expense of the french people, nepotism corruption and Macron selling off critical infrastructure among them.
    - soco 3y ago
      However I don't see the people going on the streets for those points you mentioned here, but only for the increased age of retirement. What safety will they have that, if the pension age stays as such (and they defeated Macron yay), the nepotism and corruption and all that will not continue? Going on the street is a great weapon and I admire it, but in this particular case I think it's going after the wrong end of the problem (which you seem to recognize as well).

disposition2 3y ago

For someone who is unfamiliar with French law, is the parliament able to propose legislature (either by advocating in the senate or by pushing up to the senate)? Or do they only determine / vote on what becomes law?

sebstefan 3y ago
The parliament is able to propose legislature yes
palunon 3y ago
The national assembly (our House) is usually the one with the last say. Bills are either "law proposals", meaning they are introduced by parliament members, or "law project", introduced by the government.

rjzzleep 3y ago

Parliament certainly didn't stop Macron from pushing threw the pension reform against the will of virtually everyone. It's a pity that most of the media doesn't cover the legitimate concerns of the french population.

q87b 3y ago
The media was full of the concerns of the french population about the pension reform.
soco 3y ago
The french population is indeed concerned by the increasing of the pension age, but not concerned at all with the price paid by their own children for not increasing it. So I wouldn't call the concerns of the population necessarily legitimate, as present and pressing as they might be.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  But if the public is ok with paying this despite the increasing cost, why block them? France has some of the best welfare in the world and from what I hear from my French friends they're not opposed to paying for it, unlike more neoliberal countries where tax is a swear word.
  - Aunche 3y ago
    The public isn't ok with paying for it though. They only want to receive it. The yellow vests were protesting a level of taxation that couldn't sustain the pensions, let alone one that can.
- rjzzleep 3y ago
  There is a lot more immediate causes for the drop of living standards in France than the pension reform. Virtue signaling at the expense of the french people, nepotism corruption and Macron selling off critical infrastructure among them.
  - soco 3y ago
    However I don't see the people going on the streets for those points you mentioned here, but only for the increased age of retirement. What safety will they have that, if the pension age stays as such (and they defeated Macron yay), the nepotism and corruption and all that will not continue? Going on the street is a great weapon and I admire it, but in this particular case I think it's going after the wrong end of the problem (which you seem to recognize as well).