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This problem can be solved by making hydrogen. So there is a way to power society with renewables if you are willing accept the need for baseload power. Of cour
by _hypx 3y ago
This problem can be solved by making hydrogen. So there is a way to power society with renewables if you are willing accept the need for baseload power. Of course, renewable energy fanatics do not accept this fact, and often are ideologically opposed to hydrogen. This is in spite of the fact that only hydrogen can save renewables from this problem.
- pjc50 3y ago> This problem can be solved by making hydrogen Again, nobody seems to be making hydrogen from renewable energy at scale yet despite there being a real industrial market for it. Including steel reduction, which would be a great use-case! But it's not happening because water cracking to hydrogen has a really high capital cost.
- _hypx 3y agoAgain, you are simply unaware of what is happening. It is very similar to how anti-solar analysts simply failed to recognize the widespread deployment of PV panels around a decade ago.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoA pointer to some documentation about what is happening would be useful - more useful than an analogy about something in history.
- _hypx 3y agoThe reference is literally google news search: https://www.google.com/search?q=green+hydrogen&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqtJ3R2rP_AhXPIkQIHamnCJoQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=1664&bih=962 https://www.google.com/search?q=green+hydrogen&tbm=nws&sa=X&... You'll get hundreds if not thousands of references.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoSo this is a pet peeve of mine. I can google that as easily as you can. But: 1. You made the claim. It's appropriate that you do the work to back it up. 2. A post is read more times than it is written. If you (the author) do the work, the work gets done once. If we, the readers, do the work, it's done multiple times. So both efficiency and "burden of proof" say that you should do that search. In fact, you should have done it about 10 or 20 posts earlier.
- _hypx 3y agoYou can just google it. Or bing it or whatever, since Google sucks these days. It's happening everywhere now. Like I said, this is akin to someone demanding proof that there's war in Ukraine right now.
- ben_w 3y agoWe're about 3 orders of magnitude away from green hydrogen being reasonably described as "at scale" at this point. It's roughly where PV was 15-25 years ago: nice to see the effort going on, but not at scale. I would like to see some home system that makes and stores H2 with excess PV — such a thing certainly feels like it should be possible, given how easy hydrogen is to make, but I'm not a chemist or a civil engineer, so I'll leave that to those who know what can go wrong and how to fix it.
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