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If you do business is the US you most certainly do NOT have to give unfettered “god mode” access to all of your user’s data to the government with no oversight

by jc_811 3y ago

LatteLazy 3y ago
Yes, you do. The NSA oversee the program. If you're some tiny no one they don't bother you until they want something (and then you better comply). If you're tiktock, you give them access to the whole platform. They also have access at the network/ISP and the data centre levels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM (among others) In the UK GCHQ do it.
- jc_811 3y ago
  As bad as PRISM is/was there’s simply no comparison to giving god-mode credentials to actors in the CCP who can browse user data at will, and use it to suppress anything they see fit.
  - LatteLazy 3y ago
    The only difference is whether it is "our" or "their" guy doing the dirty. But if they're doing us dirty, they're not "our" guy no matter what nationality they are...
  - raxxorraxor 3y ago
    I would still make more sense to set an example and control the behavior of people you are indirectly accountable for in a democracy. No matter how much of a joke that sounds in context of any agency able to survey almost all your communications. And it does sound like a joke already. Maybe having a strong democracy would actually be a good defense against autocracies that behave like China. Maybe stop security agencies posing a security threat in the med to long term because nobody really believes in democracy anymore.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Prism is for monitoring international communications, not domestic.
  - SapporoChris 3y ago
    Sorry, that's not correct. "U.S. government officials have disputed criticisms of PRISM in the Guardian and Washington Post articles and have defended the program, asserting that it cannot be used on domestic targets without a warrant." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Yes, you don't even need prism to spy domestically if you have a warrant. That has always been true. The feds were getting warrants to open mail in the 1800's.
      - dralley 3y ago
        PRISM is precisely a submission & storage system for data requested via warrants. People have the impression that it's a backdoor, but that's not what the Snowden docs actually described it as.
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        mrguyorama 3y ago
        The "backdoor", if any, would only be the rubber stamp courts that allow pretty broad warrants for plenty of dumb things, but that could absolutely be fixed if half the country didn't totally buy into "I have nothing to hide" bullshit, and were as militant about defending the 4th amendment as they were the 2nd, but I guess the inalienable right to privacy just isn't as cool as putting a hole in a steel target 100 yards away with a machine.
      - SapporoChris 3y ago

If you do business is the US you most certainly do NOT have to give unfettered “god mode” access to all of your user’s data to the government with no oversight

by jc_811 3y ago

If you do business is the US you most certainly do NOT have to give unfettered “god mode” access to all of your user’s data to the government with no oversight

LatteLazy 3y ago

Yes, you do. The NSA oversee the program. If you're some tiny no one they don't bother you until they want something (and then you better comply). If you're tiktock, you give them access to the whole platform. They also have access at the network/ISP and the data centre levels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM (among others) In the UK GCHQ do it.

jc_811 3y ago
As bad as PRISM is/was there’s simply no comparison to giving god-mode credentials to actors in the CCP who can browse user data at will, and use it to suppress anything they see fit.
- LatteLazy 3y ago
  The only difference is whether it is "our" or "their" guy doing the dirty. But if they're doing us dirty, they're not "our" guy no matter what nationality they are...
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  I would still make more sense to set an example and control the behavior of people you are indirectly accountable for in a democracy. No matter how much of a joke that sounds in context of any agency able to survey almost all your communications. And it does sound like a joke already. Maybe having a strong democracy would actually be a good defense against autocracies that behave like China. Maybe stop security agencies posing a security threat in the med to long term because nobody really believes in democracy anymore.
Workaccount2 3y ago
Prism is for monitoring international communications, not domestic.
- SapporoChris 3y ago
  Sorry, that's not correct. "U.S. government officials have disputed criticisms of PRISM in the Guardian and Washington Post articles and have defended the program, asserting that it cannot be used on domestic targets without a warrant." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Yes, you don't even need prism to spy domestically if you have a warrant. That has always been true. The feds were getting warrants to open mail in the 1800's.
    - dralley 3y ago
      PRISM is precisely a submission & storage system for data requested via warrants. People have the impression that it's a backdoor, but that's not what the Snowden docs actually described it as.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        The "backdoor", if any, would only be the rubber stamp courts that allow pretty broad warrants for plenty of dumb things, but that could absolutely be fixed if half the country didn't totally buy into "I have nothing to hide" bullshit, and were as militant about defending the 4th amendment as they were the 2nd, but I guess the inalienable right to privacy just isn't as cool as putting a hole in a steel target 100 yards away with a machine.
    - SapporoChris 3y ago