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I would check out some videos of the Kivu cobalt mines where children work to mine for our cobalt. There are north american mines that are shut in because we ch
by hobbescotch 3y ago
I would check out some videos of the Kivu cobalt mines where children work to mine for our cobalt. There are north american mines that are shut in because we chose to instead use child labor in incredibly dangerous mines that frequently have landslides because it’s cheaper. It seems that many only care enough about climate change to greenwash and not think about anything else. There are hopefully new battery compounds on the way but it should be allowed to criticize elements on the energy transition if there are problems. How else do we get nice things without encouraging open discussion? Perhaps it’s an american thing to associate these views with certain labels but I don’t see how it’s related to any political affiliation or gender to have these concerns.
- Gwypaas 3y agoOr just use LFP batteries, like Tesla does in the majority of their delivered cars.
- hobbescotch 3y agoYes 100%
- _hypx 3y agoThe solution is to switch to hydrogen cars and avoid all resource intensive materials. Not to mention that LFP comes with major compromises and most US Teslas do not use them.
- Gwypaas 3y agoHow is that working out for Toyota? Hydrogen, or synthetic fuels, has a place where energy density, chemical properties, or ease of storage are fundamental requirements. In other words use cases like: long distance shipping, aviation, fertilizer and seasonal energy storage. For all other applications hydrogen is a lost cause pushed by the fossil industry. See the "Hydrogen Ladder" for more information. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/clean-hydrogen-ladder-v40-michael-liebreich/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/clean-hydrogen-ladder-v40-mic...
- _hypx 3y agoThat's pure BEV propaganda. It is pure gibberish. In reality, hydrogen is guaranteed to win this. BEVs are unsustainable and the whole conversation is based on the delusion of people who have invested too much on that side. Imagine accepting that hydrogen is fundamental to aviation or shipping, but somehow believing that it is an elaborate conspiracy by the oil companies to push it in cars. That is beyond ludicrous. It is painfully obvious that BEV fans have gone off the deep end and are failing to realize that technology is moving beyond batteries.
- Gwypaas 3y agoMeanwhile in reality: "Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023" https://thedriven.io/2023/05/26/tesla-model-y-overtakes-corolla-to-be-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023/ https://thedriven.io/2023/05/26/tesla-model-y-overtakes-coro...
- _hypx 3y agoAnd it is just a repeat of diesel cars taking off in sales when BEVs where just getting started. Again, more BEV propaganda and more promotion of unsustainably dumb ideas. A completely waste of time and ultimate missing the point: It is about stopping climate change, not about sales numbers. A point that Tesla fanboys consistently fail to grasp.
- jabl 3y agoSo what are you proposing, exactly? Hydrogen storage remains an extremely tough problem, liquid, compressed, hydrides etc etc are all both expensive and offer poor energy density. Likewise fuel cells after decades of research remain expensive. Batteries, meanwhile, are rapidly advancing, and while they are heavy they offer good economics through very high grid-to-wheel efficiency.
- _hypx 3y agoThe "proposal" is simply pointing out that those claims are simply false. Hydrogen storage is a solved problem. BEV fanatics are just lying about it. In reality, the whole thing is a disruptive technology to BEVs since it fundamentally solves the weaknesses of BEVs. It is entirely a matter of when it displaces BEVs, not if. This will become more obvious when hydrogen cars become no more expensive than ICE cars.
- pjc50 3y agoCurrently the vast majority of hydrogen produced for industrial purposes is from natural gas, and the resulting CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere. Until that changes it's not a "green" fuel.
- _hypx 3y agoAnd the vast majority of electricity is made from fossil fuels too. And that figure was far higher when BEVs got started. This is simply a lazy troll argument, and literally a repeat of old anti-BEV arguments.
- pjc50 3y agoSo where's the renewable hydrogen?
- _hypx 3y agoIt is coming online as we speak. You are just not aware of it. This mirrors the early days of wind and solar power.
- pjc50 3y agoSo where is it? Make us aware of it. Give us volumes and prices. And stop saying "troll argument", that's not an argument.
- _hypx 3y agoDo you seriously want me to list all of the hundreds of different projects all going up right now? There are a huge range of figures too, and not everything is announced in detail yet. FYI, the figures are well into the hundreds of billions of dollars of total investment. It is a repeat of wind and solar, and the naysayers are just concern trolling or even outright denying its existence.
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