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Interesting bit: "In contrast, people increase on measures of social vitality (a 2nd facet of extraversion) and openness in adolescence but then decrease in bot

Interesting bit: "In contrast, people increase on measures of social vitality (a 2nd facet of extraversion) and openness in adolescence but then decrease in both of these domains in old age." > social vitality: living or preferring to live in a community rather than alone. Seems like you grow out of wanting to live in a community. I wonder if a aging population will cause cities to decline in population more rapidly than the raw numbers indicate it would.

chpatrick 3y ago
Both of those sound like the classic grouchiness that comes with age.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Honest question: how do we know they are grouchy and instead we aren't just annoying. I have a kid but kids can get on my nerves, when I'm 90 I could imagine 40 year olds annoying me in a similar way.
- hallway_monitor 3y ago
  Grouchiness may be correlated with age but not all older people are grouchy. Maybe it's actually caused by feeling useless and unloved.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    My elderly mom can switch pretty quickly from easygoing and fun to grouchy when I inadvertently treat her like she's not quite capable of managing her own life. She'll be the first to admit that it's starting to become true, but it's a fine line. I think old people become more grouchy the more young people treat them like they're old and useless, or stupid.
- lonelyasacloud 3y ago
  Watching friends and loved ones die while an individual's body falls apart isn't something many people find particularly easy.
  - chpatrick 3y ago
    I didn't say it as a moral judgement or anything, just that this is something that has been observed since the dawn of time.
autoexec 3y ago
It makes sense. Young people are willing to put up with the inconveniences of the city because they want all the things there are to do and want to be near all their friends/potential romantic partners and want all the job opportunities. Old people don't need the job opportunities (hopefully), most their friends and lovers are already dead, and they're too old and tired to run around doing all the things like they used to so moving away a bit seems more appealing. Old people don't seem to mind community though, I think it's just that people who are often sick or hurting tend to be less social. Going blind and deaf doesn't help either. I imagine it's plain harder for old folks no matter what their preference for solitude.
- urthor 3y ago
  Most old people would love to be young again. I tend to find, if you want to be young, act like the young. Famous Warren Buffet quote, "I looked up the actuarial tables, and I saw that 6 year olds had the longest life expectancy. So, I decided to eat exactly what a 6 year old would eat." Seemingly, it works.
  - DoingIsLearning 3y ago
    Having billionaire-level access to private healthcare might play a non-negligible role.
culi 3y ago
Seems silly to try to make any generalizations about this specific trait given how uniquely individualistic US culture is in human history. I'd say it's even hostile. I watched a TED talk on the health benefits of living in cohousing and larger households once. Besides well proven increases in overall lifespans and decreases in almost all chronic diseases, there's also huge economic benefits. Building a saltwater pool for example makes a lot more sense to do for a community of 20 than for an individual nuclear family. The comments were filled with straight up vitriol. It was as if people felt personally attacked and like they were being forced to live with other people. Everyone seemed to already have their minds set on "finally living on their own" and "having their own space" (neither of which, imo, are contradictory to cohousing). Yet, around the world, large multigenerational households are and have been the norm. Nuclear families are a pretty recent concept that came with the rise of suburbia and the GI Bills
- youreincorrect 3y ago
  They have probably seen dozens of videos of elderly people living in the city getting knockout-gamed and felt frightened that this is what cohousing is supposed to mean.

chpatrick 3y ago

Both of those sound like the classic grouchiness that comes with age.

willcipriano 3y ago
Honest question: how do we know they are grouchy and instead we aren't just annoying. I have a kid but kids can get on my nerves, when I'm 90 I could imagine 40 year olds annoying me in a similar way.
hallway_monitor 3y ago
Grouchiness may be correlated with age but not all older people are grouchy. Maybe it's actually caused by feeling useless and unloved.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  My elderly mom can switch pretty quickly from easygoing and fun to grouchy when I inadvertently treat her like she's not quite capable of managing her own life. She'll be the first to admit that it's starting to become true, but it's a fine line. I think old people become more grouchy the more young people treat them like they're old and useless, or stupid.
lonelyasacloud 3y ago
Watching friends and loved ones die while an individual's body falls apart isn't something many people find particularly easy.
- chpatrick 3y ago
  I didn't say it as a moral judgement or anything, just that this is something that has been observed since the dawn of time.

autoexec 3y ago

It makes sense. Young people are willing to put up with the inconveniences of the city because they want all the things there are to do and want to be near all their friends/potential romantic partners and want all the job opportunities. Old people don't need the job opportunities (hopefully), most their friends and lovers are already dead, and they're too old and tired to run around doing all the things like they used to so moving away a bit seems more appealing. Old people don't seem to mind community though, I think it's just that people who are often sick or hurting tend to be less social. Going blind and deaf doesn't help either. I imagine it's plain harder for old folks no matter what their preference for solitude.

urthor 3y ago
Most old people would love to be young again. I tend to find, if you want to be young, act like the young. Famous Warren Buffet quote, "I looked up the actuarial tables, and I saw that 6 year olds had the longest life expectancy. So, I decided to eat exactly what a 6 year old would eat." Seemingly, it works.
- DoingIsLearning 3y ago
  Having billionaire-level access to private healthcare might play a non-negligible role.

culi 3y ago

Seems silly to try to make any generalizations about this specific trait given how uniquely individualistic US culture is in human history. I'd say it's even hostile. I watched a TED talk on the health benefits of living in cohousing and larger households once. Besides well proven increases in overall lifespans and decreases in almost all chronic diseases, there's also huge economic benefits. Building a saltwater pool for example makes a lot more sense to do for a community of 20 than for an individual nuclear family. The comments were filled with straight up vitriol. It was as if people felt personally attacked and like they were being forced to live with other people. Everyone seemed to already have their minds set on "finally living on their own" and "having their own space" (neither of which, imo, are contradictory to cohousing). Yet, around the world, large multigenerational households are and have been the norm. Nuclear families are a pretty recent concept that came with the rise of suburbia and the GI Bills

youreincorrect 3y ago
They have probably seen dozens of videos of elderly people living in the city getting knockout-gamed and felt frightened that this is what cohousing is supposed to mean.