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Nonsense. The western world needs to solve their own emissions first and foremost. China is reducing its import of fossils by building renewables on a massive

by oezi 3y ago

Nonsense. The western world needs to solve their own emissions first and foremost. China is reducing its import of fossils by building renewables on a massive scale.

dgfitz 3y ago
GP provided a link, you’ve just made empty claims. Fighting climate change is a losing battle until China and India change their ways. To deny this is quite foolish.
- oezi 3y ago
  This is just a stray man and a lose/lose attitude. The developed nations need to pave the way by driving down the economies of scale further. What India is doing despite more than 1 billion people mustn't be used to stop our own (developed country) focus on reducing our emissions. As for the link: https://www.google.com/search?q=china+renewable+share https://www.google.com/search?q=china+renewable+share China is investing at an unprecedented scale into renewables because it is cheaper for them than buying fossil fuels abroad in many cases.
  - dgfitz 3y ago
    I'll raise your low-effort google search result link with something useful: https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/ https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/ BLUF: China saving money is their objective, it is a happy accident that it may possibly help a little bit in reducing emissions. They don't care.
    - oezi 3y ago
      The site you are pointing to does not use accumulated past emissions to judge countries so is highly dubious from a developing country perspective. But again, I think pointing to others is a straw man in the debate. Each country need to go ahead and shoulder their share. For a country such as Germany the estimates point to 2.5% of GDP per year to be spend over the next 27 years to achieve a net zero economy. This is an effort that is so miniscule that it is embarrassing. And it is mostly domestically spend money to build wind mills and install PVs. The component cost is becoming less and less of a share. I think China is well aware that their country is one that is very negatively affected by climate change. The continental climate will turn China into a desert if climate change isn't reduced. The cost trajectories are so much in favor of renewables that spending money to build them is starting to make even financial sense. (P.s.: My low effort google was an answer to a bullshit Youtube channel)

by oezi 3y ago

Nonsense. The western world needs to solve their own emissions first and foremost. China is reducing its import of fossils by building renewables on a massive scale.

dgfitz 3y ago

GP provided a link, you’ve just made empty claims. Fighting climate change is a losing battle until China and India change their ways. To deny this is quite foolish.

oezi 3y ago
This is just a stray man and a lose/lose attitude. The developed nations need to pave the way by driving down the economies of scale further. What India is doing despite more than 1 billion people mustn't be used to stop our own (developed country) focus on reducing our emissions. As for the link: https://www.google.com/search?q=china+renewable+share https://www.google.com/search?q=china+renewable+share China is investing at an unprecedented scale into renewables because it is cheaper for them than buying fossil fuels abroad in many cases.
- dgfitz 3y ago
  I'll raise your low-effort google search result link with something useful: https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/ https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/ BLUF: China saving money is their objective, it is a happy accident that it may possibly help a little bit in reducing emissions. They don't care.
  - oezi 3y ago
    The site you are pointing to does not use accumulated past emissions to judge countries so is highly dubious from a developing country perspective. But again, I think pointing to others is a straw man in the debate. Each country need to go ahead and shoulder their share. For a country such as Germany the estimates point to 2.5% of GDP per year to be spend over the next 27 years to achieve a net zero economy. This is an effort that is so miniscule that it is embarrassing. And it is mostly domestically spend money to build wind mills and install PVs. The component cost is becoming less and less of a share. I think China is well aware that their country is one that is very negatively affected by climate change. The continental climate will turn China into a desert if climate change isn't reduced. The cost trajectories are so much in favor of renewables that spending money to build them is starting to make even financial sense. (P.s.: My low effort google was an answer to a bullshit Youtube channel)