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I find this kind of debate can be polarizing because people have such different mindsets and perspectives on the world. If you view the office as just a “fine l

I find this kind of debate can be polarizing because people have such different mindsets and perspectives on the world. If you view the office as just a “fine layer of snot”, I can only imagine what you think of the subway, or a mall. But people sneezing and fighting traffic aren’t critiques of the office, they’re critiques of leaving your house and going outside… We have immune systems for a reason, and fear of illness (without it coming from your doctor) is not a good reason to be against RTO. People get sick all the time, it’s a normal and necessary process to build our natural immunity. I worry about the damage covid did in making people still paranoid about going in public (e.g. people who continue to feel the need to wear masks today without a medical reason). You imply there’s no value to being in person, but would you really rather catch up with friends over zoom rather than over dinner? Call someone over FaceTime rather than get coffee and go on a walk? Work relationships matter, sharing 3D space allows people to be more creative and collaborative, and companies are recognizing that. Google seems like the last company that would make people come back to the office without doing their homework, there’s clearly data showing that fully remote employees are falling behind.

jmcomets 3y ago
> Work relationships matter, sharing 3D space allows people to be more creative and collaborative, and companies are recognizing that. Google seems like the last company that would make people come back to the office without doing their homework, there’s clearly data showing that fully remote employees are falling behind. A couple things I wanted to point out when reading this: - RTO does not imply sharing a 3D space with those you collaborate with (e.g. distributed teams). - There is no data that proves that in-person work is more "creative" or "collaborative", simply because it's not measurable. - You assume Google's intentions to always driven by data rather than appealing to stakeholders.
- repeekad 3y ago
  - RTO is entirely about sharing 3D spaces with those you collaborate, agree that if the team you work directly with is distributed there’s little value to RTO to me, direct team in office and other teams distributed seems more common - there is data: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04643-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04643-y - they are not mutually exclusive, I do very much assume google uses data AND appeals to stakeholder value. I don’t hold the view that stakeholder value is purely maximizing productivity, I think google does their homework before making big decisions.
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
This is an internet comment section. "Going outside" is always an unpopular opinion here. Also, many of the people here are younger, don't have kids, think they never will, think they'll never have to manage people etc. These aren't going to be particularly productive, unfortunately.

jmcomets 3y ago

> Work relationships matter, sharing 3D space allows people to be more creative and collaborative, and companies are recognizing that. Google seems like the last company that would make people come back to the office without doing their homework, there’s clearly data showing that fully remote employees are falling behind. A couple things I wanted to point out when reading this: - RTO does not imply sharing a 3D space with those you collaborate with (e.g. distributed teams). - There is no data that proves that in-person work is more "creative" or "collaborative", simply because it's not measurable. - You assume Google's intentions to always driven by data rather than appealing to stakeholders.

repeekad 3y ago
- RTO is entirely about sharing 3D spaces with those you collaborate, agree that if the team you work directly with is distributed there’s little value to RTO to me, direct team in office and other teams distributed seems more common - there is data: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04643-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04643-y - they are not mutually exclusive, I do very much assume google uses data AND appeals to stakeholder value. I don’t hold the view that stakeholder value is purely maximizing productivity, I think google does their homework before making big decisions.

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

This is an internet comment section. "Going outside" is always an unpopular opinion here. Also, many of the people here are younger, don't have kids, think they never will, think they'll never have to manage people etc. These aren't going to be particularly productive, unfortunately.