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The higher end sport and sport naked motorcycles make high sides almost next to impossible. They have lean angle sensitive traction control which allows you to

The higher end sport and sport naked motorcycles make high sides almost next to impossible. They have lean angle sensitive traction control which allows you to literally be full throttle out of a corner, with the actual power to the rear tire will be modulated based on the setting (which can have an intermediate value and allow you to pretty much hold a drift without it getting away from you. The top of the line models from Ducati and BMW also make braking lowsides (where you slide the front from too much brake and tuck it) very rare, because they also have lean sensitive ABS where the solenoids distribute the braking force between front and rear brakes depending on how much you are leaned over.

vasco 3y ago
If you are leaning that much in the street you're a hazard to yourself and others. In the street lean with the body, not the bike, to reduce the angle. You never know if there's oil or a new hole in the tarmac. Can always do track days to have fun.
MarkMarine 3y ago
This is incorrect. There is literally nothing a motorcycle’s electronics can do to prevent you from putting too much input into the bars, fix your stupid body position, or save you from a decreasing radius or off camber turn. Say nothing of dirt, gravel, moisture, leaves, etc. Yep. If the only thing you have to deal with is a ham fisted input into the throttle, the bike may prevent that. Most crashes aren’t from that. Rider aids are just that, aids. You see skilled riders with top tier aids crash all the time during racing. Don’t trust the Nannies. Learn to control your motorcycle and you will only have them to nudge you in the rare case you need it. That’s what they are for.
trabant00 3y ago
That's completely false and dangerous to think. Even said manufacturers of motorcycles equipped with six axis IMU for ABS and traction control specify this in their user manuals. You have configurable levels of TCS on modern motorcycles, because what the electronics can't know is the current difference between static and dynamic friction. That depends on what tires you have, what pressure and temperature they are at, the road surface composition, temperature, water presence. There's also suspension and road imperfections and other things. The difference between static and dynamic friction is critical in deciding when the electronics need to intervene. For dry perfect asphalt the maximum traction is at 14% (if I remember correctly, exact figure not important) wheel slip. Meaning the wheel is accelerating/decelerating 14% more than the bike. Any less and you lengthen the stopping distance or losing acceleration. Any more and you risk crashing. On water though the difference between static and dynamic friction is very large. Once a slide begins the available traction goes to almost nothing compared to before (I think 30%) and you are in for a bad time. An simpler example is road bumps. There's nothing the electronics can do if you wheel leaves the ground because your suspension can't cope. In MotoGP in addition to the six axis IMU they also have GPS and the values in the electronics are set manually for each turn depending on what the conditions they expect to find there at that time. And they still have both highsides and lowsides! Reality is extremely resistant to being perfectly modeled in computers.

vasco 3y ago

If you are leaning that much in the street you're a hazard to yourself and others. In the street lean with the body, not the bike, to reduce the angle. You never know if there's oil or a new hole in the tarmac. Can always do track days to have fun.

MarkMarine 3y ago

This is incorrect. There is literally nothing a motorcycle’s electronics can do to prevent you from putting too much input into the bars, fix your stupid body position, or save you from a decreasing radius or off camber turn. Say nothing of dirt, gravel, moisture, leaves, etc. Yep. If the only thing you have to deal with is a ham fisted input into the throttle, the bike may prevent that. Most crashes aren’t from that. Rider aids are just that, aids. You see skilled riders with top tier aids crash all the time during racing. Don’t trust the Nannies. Learn to control your motorcycle and you will only have them to nudge you in the rare case you need it. That’s what they are for.

trabant00 3y ago

That's completely false and dangerous to think. Even said manufacturers of motorcycles equipped with six axis IMU for ABS and traction control specify this in their user manuals. You have configurable levels of TCS on modern motorcycles, because what the electronics can't know is the current difference between static and dynamic friction. That depends on what tires you have, what pressure and temperature they are at, the road surface composition, temperature, water presence. There's also suspension and road imperfections and other things. The difference between static and dynamic friction is critical in deciding when the electronics need to intervene. For dry perfect asphalt the maximum traction is at 14% (if I remember correctly, exact figure not important) wheel slip. Meaning the wheel is accelerating/decelerating 14% more than the bike. Any less and you lengthen the stopping distance or losing acceleration. Any more and you risk crashing. On water though the difference between static and dynamic friction is very large. Once a slide begins the available traction goes to almost nothing compared to before (I think 30%) and you are in for a bad time. An simpler example is road bumps. There's nothing the electronics can do if you wheel leaves the ground because your suspension can't cope. In MotoGP in addition to the six axis IMU they also have GPS and the values in the electronics are set manually for each turn depending on what the conditions they expect to find there at that time. And they still have both highsides and lowsides! Reality is extremely resistant to being perfectly modeled in computers.