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I really can’t understand this argument. Apple has the least planned obsolescence of any major manufacturer available. The only upgradeable laptop you can buy

I really can’t understand this argument. Apple has the least planned obsolescence of any major manufacturer available. The only upgradeable laptop you can buy is the Framework, which is more expensive than a baseline MBP. It also didn’t exist until a few years ago, so we don’t know if it has 10 years of longevity. What I do know is that my 2015 MBP still has hours of battery life even after being used daily for many years. As far as software, 2017 MBPs can download Ventura, which will be supported until 2025, which seems like a long time to me.

goosedragons 3y ago
The vast majority of PC laptops let you upgrade at least the SSD. Usually the WiFi card is socketed too and can be swapped out. And it's really not THAT hard to find laptops that still have socketed RAM if you care to. Had you bought a ThinkPad T450 instead of your 2015 MBP, you could have upgraded the RAM, upgraded the SSD with a standard M.2 NVMe drive instead of having to hunt for a compatible one with an adapter (don't worry Apple closed that loophole in 2016, no more upgrades at all), easily replaced the battery if need be and still be running Windows 10 which is supported to at least 2025. Apple's support is better on iOS devices than the incredibly low bar set by Android, but in the computer space they are incredibly unpredictable (will this model be supported 5 or 10 years? Who knows!) and not particularly good.
- singhrac 3y ago
  I suspect we might have to agree to disagree here, but the T450 and 2015 MBP make very different tradeoffs. I might be looking at the wrong model, but I see a 1600x900 screen (while my MBP had a 2560x1600 screen), and (admittedly high quality) plastic case vs aluminum. Immediately before the MBP I owned a Dell XPS laptop that stopped charging ~2 years into ownership. Aren't the processors not upgradeable in either case? I really doubt you could happily use a Haswell i5 processor in 2023 without feeling limited.. even if just because software (the OS, websites, etc.) assume a higher performance floor.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    Obviously there's tradeoffs. Your previous post mentioned that a 2017 MBP is still usable on Ventura and supported until 2025, is a 2017 14nm dual core i5 really a huge leap over a 2015 14nm dual core i5? Which would be more usable the one stuck at 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD and a bit faster CPU or the one upgraded with 16GB RAM (~$40), a $70 1TB SSD and a slower CPU?

goosedragons 3y ago

The vast majority of PC laptops let you upgrade at least the SSD. Usually the WiFi card is socketed too and can be swapped out. And it's really not THAT hard to find laptops that still have socketed RAM if you care to. Had you bought a ThinkPad T450 instead of your 2015 MBP, you could have upgraded the RAM, upgraded the SSD with a standard M.2 NVMe drive instead of having to hunt for a compatible one with an adapter (don't worry Apple closed that loophole in 2016, no more upgrades at all), easily replaced the battery if need be and still be running Windows 10 which is supported to at least 2025. Apple's support is better on iOS devices than the incredibly low bar set by Android, but in the computer space they are incredibly unpredictable (will this model be supported 5 or 10 years? Who knows!) and not particularly good.

singhrac 3y ago
I suspect we might have to agree to disagree here, but the T450 and 2015 MBP make very different tradeoffs. I might be looking at the wrong model, but I see a 1600x900 screen (while my MBP had a 2560x1600 screen), and (admittedly high quality) plastic case vs aluminum. Immediately before the MBP I owned a Dell XPS laptop that stopped charging ~2 years into ownership. Aren't the processors not upgradeable in either case? I really doubt you could happily use a Haswell i5 processor in 2023 without feeling limited.. even if just because software (the OS, websites, etc.) assume a higher performance floor.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  Obviously there's tradeoffs. Your previous post mentioned that a 2017 MBP is still usable on Ventura and supported until 2025, is a 2017 14nm dual core i5 really a huge leap over a 2015 14nm dual core i5? Which would be more usable the one stuck at 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD and a bit faster CPU or the one upgraded with 16GB RAM (~$40), a $70 1TB SSD and a slower CPU?