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> Which is utterly and completely divorced from reality. Do you have a citation for this statement? I would be very careful about saying things like this. You

> Which is utterly and completely divorced from reality. Do you have a citation for this statement? I would be very careful about saying things like this. You might be significantly more incorrect than you presume.

Karawebnetwork 3y ago
As naked monkeys in the wild, perhaps. However in our modern world a visit to the esthetician and an appointment with a makeup artist before the interview will make you appear healthier than the most nourished monkey in the jungle. Now you could argue that having the awareness to do this before an interview is a display of intelligence, however I would say that this is indicative of a type intelligence different to the one needed to be, say, a good engineer.
JohnFen 3y ago
Are you asserting that there's a correlation between physical attractiveness and how trustworthy, competent, and good people are? If so, then I think it would be you that needs to provide evidence for it, if for no other reason that on casual inspection anyway, there is no hint that is the case.
Enginerrrd 3y ago
Yeah I agree, it doesn't seem immediately obvious to me that those things aren't correlated. In fact, if nothing else and based on no other factor, the existence of this bias is itself telling us that attractive women are probably more likely to have more experience, since they likely will have received additional opportunities which would be self-reinforcing and result in exactly such a correlation. And all that totally ignores the fact that we're assuming the genes behind attractiveness (which can include indications of health, athleticism, and developmental symmetry) have zero effect on mental factors. That assumption would really require supporting evidence IMO.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > it doesn't seem immediately obvious to me that those things aren't correlated. Wait, what? My assertion is that physical attractiveness is not correlated with competence, trustworthiness, and being a good person. You see evidence that there is such a correlation? My entire experience with people gives no hint of any such thing. The beautiful people I've known have not been more likely to have any of those qualities than the ugly people I've known. I'd be very interested in any evidence of such a correlation. It would completely rock my world. > the existence of this bias is itself telling us that attractive women are probably more likely to have more experience This is a completely different thing, though. > That assumption would really require supporting evidence IMO. That's completely backward. If you're asserting a correlation, it's on you to provide supporting evidence for it. You are making a positive claim. All I'm saying is that I see no evidence in support of that claim.
Zigurd 3y ago
Moneyball. Athletes that don't "look the part" are cheaper.

Karawebnetwork 3y ago

As naked monkeys in the wild, perhaps. However in our modern world a visit to the esthetician and an appointment with a makeup artist before the interview will make you appear healthier than the most nourished monkey in the jungle. Now you could argue that having the awareness to do this before an interview is a display of intelligence, however I would say that this is indicative of a type intelligence different to the one needed to be, say, a good engineer.

JohnFen 3y ago

Are you asserting that there's a correlation between physical attractiveness and how trustworthy, competent, and good people are? If so, then I think it would be you that needs to provide evidence for it, if for no other reason that on casual inspection anyway, there is no hint that is the case.

Enginerrrd 3y ago

Yeah I agree, it doesn't seem immediately obvious to me that those things aren't correlated. In fact, if nothing else and based on no other factor, the existence of this bias is itself telling us that attractive women are probably more likely to have more experience, since they likely will have received additional opportunities which would be self-reinforcing and result in exactly such a correlation. And all that totally ignores the fact that we're assuming the genes behind attractiveness (which can include indications of health, athleticism, and developmental symmetry) have zero effect on mental factors. That assumption would really require supporting evidence IMO.

JohnFen 3y ago
> it doesn't seem immediately obvious to me that those things aren't correlated. Wait, what? My assertion is that physical attractiveness is not correlated with competence, trustworthiness, and being a good person. You see evidence that there is such a correlation? My entire experience with people gives no hint of any such thing. The beautiful people I've known have not been more likely to have any of those qualities than the ugly people I've known. I'd be very interested in any evidence of such a correlation. It would completely rock my world. > the existence of this bias is itself telling us that attractive women are probably more likely to have more experience This is a completely different thing, though. > That assumption would really require supporting evidence IMO. That's completely backward. If you're asserting a correlation, it's on you to provide supporting evidence for it. You are making a positive claim. All I'm saying is that I see no evidence in support of that claim.

Zigurd 3y ago

Moneyball. Athletes that don't "look the part" are cheaper.