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Girl from Ipanema (Garota de Ipanema) was composed by Tom Jobim, one of the greatest Brazilian composers, and written by Vinícius de Moraes, one of the greatest

Girl from Ipanema (Garota de Ipanema) was composed by Tom Jobim, one of the greatest Brazilian composers, and written by Vinícius de Moraes, one of the greatest Brazilian poets. João Gilberto, another one of our greatest musicians, also contributed to the song. It was recorded by different singers before the English version with Astrud was ever recorded, and the most famous version in Brazil by far is sung by Tom Jobim himself. Astrud is actually not that well known in Brazil - she's much more famous abroad. I'm not sure who the "guys who took credit" are supposed to be but I never thought of Garota de Ipanema as being Astrud's song or anything like that. Not to say whatever happened to her wasn't unfair, of course, but her interpretation of the song is one among many. The song is Vinícius and Tom's.

pmarreck 3y ago
I knew most of those things, and I apologize for apparently suggesting that she deserved credit in lieu of those guys, because she did not. I was just suggesting that given how well the song did in English speaking countries AFTER her participation, $120 seems a travesty.
dr_dshiv 3y ago
Unless you don’t know that; when I listen to it, that song is all about her.
- rmsaksida 3y ago
  I totally get it, but the song is also very famous in Brazil and not because of her.
  - soneca 3y ago
    That doesn’t mean the performer who made the version that is known worldwide should not be rewarded properly by it. I am not sure the debate has took this turn. Because the music is known in Brazil with different performers, it attenuates the cheap payment she got for the English version. The article states that she avoided performing in Brazil because she felt it didn’t treat her well. Taking from the Brazilians in this thread, it checks.
    - brvsft 3y ago
      > That doesn’t mean the performer who made the version... She didn't make it. She sang a part of it. And it isn't as if they knew how successful this recording would become. I'm not Brazilian, but I'm a fan of bossa nova. The way some people are talking in this thread as if the entire song was created by Astrud seems absurd. The position completely erases the work done by the men who pioneered bossa nova as a genre. Do you actually listen to this music? What do you do when listening to this album? Do you fast forward past the lengthy saxophone solos?
      - specialist 3y ago
        Labor is the source of all wealth. Maybe they should get some fraction of the profits. I call my radical proposal Profit Sharing.
        pmarreck 3y ago
        Maybe all compensation should include some stock.
        specialist 3y ago
        I support any and all efforts to get our gini coefficient back down to 0.35 or lower. Worker-directed social enterprises, co-ops, trust busting, tax enforcement, universal healthcare, universal basic income, repeated radical cashectomies of the 1%, name & shame... Whatever works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient
      - soneca 3y ago
        I am not one of those people saying Astrud is the main responsible for creating the song. My position is that her contribution deserved a portion of the profits the song generate larger than $120. I think it’s fair that she should earn more directly from it, even acknowledging that the song kickstarted her great career and was the foundation of a lot of profits in the future. I am not saying it was illegal or the $120 was paid on bad faith at the time of recording. I am saying that after the song becoming a worldwide hit, she deserved to earn more. It might not have been illegal for her to earn only $120, but it was unfair in my opinion.
- Gys 3y ago
  ‘Heloísa Eneida Menezes Paes Pinto is the girl from Ipanema.’ https://web.archive.org/web/20131231001337/http://www.jobim.com.br/cgi-bin/clubedotom/musicas3.cgi?cmd=musica&ling=eng&song=ipanema https://web.archive.org/web/20131231001337/http://www.jobim....
  - belter 3y ago
    https://www.fatosdesconhecidos.com.br/conheca-a-musa-que-inspirou-garota-de-ipanema/ https://www.fatosdesconhecidos.com.br/conheca-a-musa-que-ins...
- digisign 3y ago
  Nope, the singer is watching her walk down the sidewalk.
jki275 3y ago
How things are viewed in Brazil might be one thing. Worldwide? She's the one. Her version of the song is the song. Nobody outside Brazil has ever heard of anyone else. The producer who took all the money for her performance of it robbed her.
- brvsft 3y ago
  I'd never heard this woman's name before, yet I know the two who actually created this album. I'm from the US. You're posing a disgusting assertion as a tourist to this music, based on some article you read on the internet.
- simiones 3y ago
  It's not "her" version of the song, it's just a version that she sung (some) of the lyrics on. She didn't compose the song, she isn't performing it a capella (there's a band including some famous musicians like Stan Getz or Tom Jobim), she didn't compose or translate the lyrics, she didn't compose the sung part. She certainly isn't singing the saxophone solo. It's absurd to attribute the success of the song solely to her. Should she have gotten more? Absolutely! But she's ultimately just a minor part of the song.
- bloak 3y ago
  It's not "nobody" because I've never been to South America, but I know the song well, sung by various male performers, or just the tune without a singer, and I'd never heard of Astrud Gilberto. I don't think that "session musicians" should have an automatic right to royalties.
kurthr 3y ago
They don't even play it the same (as it was originally recorded) in most westernized versions. What a great song and her voice is iconic, but if you haven't seen the musical key deconstruction and commentary by Adam Neely, it's worth a watch. https://youtu.be/OFWCbGzxofU https://youtu.be/OFWCbGzxofU As he says, the way short phrases of Girl from Ipanema are used in American pop culture, "It's auditory shorthand for light frivolous background music". Even though it's anything, but that.

pmarreck 3y ago

I knew most of those things, and I apologize for apparently suggesting that she deserved credit in lieu of those guys, because she did not. I was just suggesting that given how well the song did in English speaking countries AFTER her participation, $120 seems a travesty.

dr_dshiv 3y ago

Unless you don’t know that; when I listen to it, that song is all about her.

rmsaksida 3y ago
I totally get it, but the song is also very famous in Brazil and not because of her.
- soneca 3y ago
  That doesn’t mean the performer who made the version that is known worldwide should not be rewarded properly by it. I am not sure the debate has took this turn. Because the music is known in Brazil with different performers, it attenuates the cheap payment she got for the English version. The article states that she avoided performing in Brazil because she felt it didn’t treat her well. Taking from the Brazilians in this thread, it checks.
  - brvsft 3y ago
    > That doesn’t mean the performer who made the version... She didn't make it. She sang a part of it. And it isn't as if they knew how successful this recording would become. I'm not Brazilian, but I'm a fan of bossa nova. The way some people are talking in this thread as if the entire song was created by Astrud seems absurd. The position completely erases the work done by the men who pioneered bossa nova as a genre. Do you actually listen to this music? What do you do when listening to this album? Do you fast forward past the lengthy saxophone solos?
    - specialist 3y ago
      Labor is the source of all wealth. Maybe they should get some fraction of the profits. I call my radical proposal Profit Sharing.
      - pmarreck 3y ago
        Maybe all compensation should include some stock.
        specialist 3y ago
        I support any and all efforts to get our gini coefficient back down to 0.35 or lower. Worker-directed social enterprises, co-ops, trust busting, tax enforcement, universal healthcare, universal basic income, repeated radical cashectomies of the 1%, name & shame... Whatever works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient
    - soneca 3y ago
      I am not one of those people saying Astrud is the main responsible for creating the song. My position is that her contribution deserved a portion of the profits the song generate larger than $120. I think it’s fair that she should earn more directly from it, even acknowledging that the song kickstarted her great career and was the foundation of a lot of profits in the future. I am not saying it was illegal or the $120 was paid on bad faith at the time of recording. I am saying that after the song becoming a worldwide hit, she deserved to earn more. It might not have been illegal for her to earn only $120, but it was unfair in my opinion.
Gys 3y ago
‘Heloísa Eneida Menezes Paes Pinto is the girl from Ipanema.’ https://web.archive.org/web/20131231001337/http://www.jobim.com.br/cgi-bin/clubedotom/musicas3.cgi?cmd=musica&ling=eng&song=ipanema https://web.archive.org/web/20131231001337/http://www.jobim....
- belter 3y ago
  https://www.fatosdesconhecidos.com.br/conheca-a-musa-que-inspirou-garota-de-ipanema/ https://www.fatosdesconhecidos.com.br/conheca-a-musa-que-ins...
digisign 3y ago
Nope, the singer is watching her walk down the sidewalk.

jki275 3y ago

How things are viewed in Brazil might be one thing. Worldwide? She's the one. Her version of the song is the song. Nobody outside Brazil has ever heard of anyone else. The producer who took all the money for her performance of it robbed her.

brvsft 3y ago
I'd never heard this woman's name before, yet I know the two who actually created this album. I'm from the US. You're posing a disgusting assertion as a tourist to this music, based on some article you read on the internet.
simiones 3y ago
It's not "her" version of the song, it's just a version that she sung (some) of the lyrics on. She didn't compose the song, she isn't performing it a capella (there's a band including some famous musicians like Stan Getz or Tom Jobim), she didn't compose or translate the lyrics, she didn't compose the sung part. She certainly isn't singing the saxophone solo. It's absurd to attribute the success of the song solely to her. Should she have gotten more? Absolutely! But she's ultimately just a minor part of the song.
bloak 3y ago
It's not "nobody" because I've never been to South America, but I know the song well, sung by various male performers, or just the tune without a singer, and I'd never heard of Astrud Gilberto. I don't think that "session musicians" should have an automatic right to royalties.

kurthr 3y ago

They don't even play it the same (as it was originally recorded) in most westernized versions. What a great song and her voice is iconic, but if you haven't seen the musical key deconstruction and commentary by Adam Neely, it's worth a watch. https://youtu.be/OFWCbGzxofU https://youtu.be/OFWCbGzxofU As he says, the way short phrases of Girl from Ipanema are used in American pop culture, "It's auditory shorthand for light frivolous background music". Even though it's anything, but that.