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Absolutely mad history here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20569438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20569438 (2019) As a teaser, from the above:

Absolutely mad history here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20569438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20569438 (2019) As a teaser, from the above: > For those not aware of the background, the author is a wizard from a secretive underground society of wizards known as the Familia Toledo; he and his family (it is a family) have been designing and building their own computers (and ancillary equipment like reflow ovens) and writing their own operating systems and web browsers for some 40 years now.

silisili 3y ago
I've read about them before, and Oscar's seemingly complete mastery of these type of things. It makes me wonder what he does professionally, and how much it pays. Is it a valuable(to companies) skill even?
thom 3y ago
You can buy the annotated source code for Oscar Toledo G’s Nanochess here: http://www.amazon.com/Toledo-Nanochess-commented-source-code/dp/1304864375 http://www.amazon.com/Toledo-Nanochess-commented-source-code... It was certainly a humbling experience for me.
- acqq 3y ago
  also: C: Nanochess online: https://nanochess.org/chess3.html https://nanochess.org/chess3.html Micro-Max: https://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/max-src2.html https://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/max-src2.html assembly: Atomchess Game The world's smallest chess program in x86 machine code, only 326 bytes! https://nanochess.org/chess6.html https://nanochess.org/chess6.html
  - acqq 3y ago
    And another: https://smmax.sourceforge.net/ https://smmax.sourceforge.net/ Written in C: "The current "shrinking level" of this version is around 670 bytes." ... "Later on this version has been extended to allow playing with full FIDE rules, meaning including the management of en-passant, castling and under promotion. This new version is around 750 characters (35 lines of codes when pretty printed)." + full FIDE version assembly 583 bytes .COM + ZX81 1K version
- mysterydip 3y ago
  There's also these two books: boot sector games http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/programming-boot-sector-games/paperback/product-24188564.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/programming-... more boot sector games (includes this OS): http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/more-boot-sector-games/paperback/product-24462035.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/more-boot-se...
misja111 3y ago
Assembly was one of the first languages that I wrote in when I learned to program in the 80's, simply because other languages were too slow to develop games and other stuff. Since then I've switched to Pascal, Java, Scala, Python etc. But sometimes I still miss the joy of micro-optimizing some assembly code until perfection. This Toledo family is amazing. I wonder if this will be the future of SD craftmanship, now that Moore's law seems to come to an end and we are forced to look at optimizing the performance of our software stack.
actionfromafar 3y ago
It's so incredible I can't digest it.
gigel82 3y ago
Well now you made me curious to learn more about this mythical OS and browser... any leads?
29athrowaway 3y ago
Underground but with an Internet website, github and HN account? probably you are hyping it a bit too much. http://www.biyubi.com/eng_principal.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_principal.html https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=github.com/nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=github.com/nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nanochess
- detrites 3y ago
  "Hyping"? My own opinion was presented as-is, without any exaggeration. Anyway thanks for the links!
brutusborn 3y ago
Another HN thread on Toledo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28337064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28337064
Solvency 3y ago
This reads very aggrandizing and hyperbolic.

silisili 3y ago

I've read about them before, and Oscar's seemingly complete mastery of these type of things. It makes me wonder what he does professionally, and how much it pays. Is it a valuable(to companies) skill even?

thom 3y ago

You can buy the annotated source code for Oscar Toledo G’s Nanochess here: http://www.amazon.com/Toledo-Nanochess-commented-source-code/dp/1304864375 http://www.amazon.com/Toledo-Nanochess-commented-source-code... It was certainly a humbling experience for me.

acqq 3y ago
also: C: Nanochess online: https://nanochess.org/chess3.html https://nanochess.org/chess3.html Micro-Max: https://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/max-src2.html https://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/max-src2.html assembly: Atomchess Game The world's smallest chess program in x86 machine code, only 326 bytes! https://nanochess.org/chess6.html https://nanochess.org/chess6.html
- acqq 3y ago
  And another: https://smmax.sourceforge.net/ https://smmax.sourceforge.net/ Written in C: "The current "shrinking level" of this version is around 670 bytes." ... "Later on this version has been extended to allow playing with full FIDE rules, meaning including the management of en-passant, castling and under promotion. This new version is around 750 characters (35 lines of codes when pretty printed)." + full FIDE version assembly 583 bytes .COM + ZX81 1K version
mysterydip 3y ago
There's also these two books: boot sector games http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/programming-boot-sector-games/paperback/product-24188564.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/programming-... more boot sector games (includes this OS): http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/more-boot-sector-games/paperback/product-24462035.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/oscar-toledo-gutierrez/more-boot-se...

misja111 3y ago

Assembly was one of the first languages that I wrote in when I learned to program in the 80's, simply because other languages were too slow to develop games and other stuff. Since then I've switched to Pascal, Java, Scala, Python etc. But sometimes I still miss the joy of micro-optimizing some assembly code until perfection. This Toledo family is amazing. I wonder if this will be the future of SD craftmanship, now that Moore's law seems to come to an end and we are forced to look at optimizing the performance of our software stack.

actionfromafar 3y ago

It's so incredible I can't digest it.

gigel82 3y ago

Well now you made me curious to learn more about this mythical OS and browser... any leads?

29athrowaway 3y ago

Underground but with an Internet website, github and HN account? probably you are hyping it a bit too much. http://www.biyubi.com/eng_principal.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_principal.html https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=github.com/nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=github.com/nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nanochess https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nanochess

detrites 3y ago
"Hyping"? My own opinion was presented as-is, without any exaggeration. Anyway thanks for the links!

brutusborn 3y ago

Another HN thread on Toledo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28337064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28337064

Solvency 3y ago

This reads very aggrandizing and hyperbolic.