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> I've tested this "psychological profile" process a few times, essentially exploring how these tools might be used in potentially bad ways by leveraging its ab

> I've tested this "psychological profile" process a few times, essentially exploring how these tools might be used in potentially bad ways by leveraging its ability to form very decent profiles based on very sparse data. I can't replicate your results and can only assume that it's only accurate if the respondent is totally honest. Most people aren't. I tried your prompt with a blob of data gleaned from conversations with a known pathological liar and it created an absolutely absurd profile that couldn't be more false. It failed to pick up on obvious impossibilities like the subject claiming to be afflicted with literally every single disability-qualifying condition possible, and interpreted offhand statements like "i'm a unicorn" as testament to the subject's identity ("suggests a possible desire to distance themself from societal norms and expectations, indicating a sense of detachment or alienation"). For a psychological profile, it failed to suggest none of this is plausible and the subject might have Munchausen syndrome-- or just be a total fucking fraud. I'm still looking for a way to leverage GPT as a means of saving time in divining truth from bullshit testimony (sounds like you are too), but it was amusing to find GPT made the same observations that the subject's therapists shared because all parties assumed the subject was being truthful at all times. You seem to be noticing the same thing I am-- a tool engineered to forge any document is coy about the subjects of fraud and manipulation. It's easier to get painstakingly-detailed abortion erotica out of this system than any sort of direct assessment of a subject's integrity. Meanwhile, Sam Altman says we should be worried about SKYNET. We should run a profile on him.

ineedasername 3y ago
Interesting, I had thought my experience would be more easily replicated. One key thing is that I didn’t talk about myself at all, or in the few fictional attempts at personality creation. I just approached it as a conversation, asking about a topic or a thought experiment, followup to dig deeper into a point, pick some aspect of the conversation to cross over into a whole new topic, and do the same again. I’m on mobile now but watch for replies to this in the next 24 hours, I’ll post a transcript of unedited results
- jstarfish 3y ago
  (I forgot to mention I used 3.5, not 4.) I used your prompt verbatim, but didn't do the subsequent ones because the first was so off-base. I didn't do the "become a psychologist" stuff either; rather than adding insight, in other contexts I've found LARPing implies fiction and adds professional conviction to its incorrect answers. I tried to get it to write an affidavit "as a legal advisor" once and it wrote one-- and inserted a fictional special agent into the context. You approached the conversation with honesty-- the Narcissists and histrionics I normally deal with never do, so our test inputs could not be more polarized. I'd be curious to see what happens if I did an assessment of myself honestly, and what you get being deliberately dishonest and evasive on yours.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    I did this with GPT-4, not directives to assume any type of personality or role.: I think maybe my key was to just have a conversation such as I would have with a knowledgeable stranger willing to play along with and topic or tangent or whim I explored. Really, just that. I never, at all, explicitly told it anything about myself. When I tried to model another personality, I thought for a while about the personality attributes, and then the same sort of general conversation— such a person would have with the same knowledgeable stranger, without ever giving personal details. I’ll post an example soon. Sorry though, for privacy reasons I won’t share the actual chat, but (assuming I’m being honest ;) ) others should be able to reproduce something at least similar— I’ve done so for my own personality multiple times.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    Piece 1 Okay, here's my brand new result to get a psych profile. It's too long so I'll break it into pieces. Before beginning with ChatGPT-4, I wrote a few basic points about the personality that I would try to stick to in roleplaying such a person. Here are the brief notes I wrote to myself & referred back to while prompting the system. I think you'll see at the end that the psych profile is pretty decent. The key is to really roleplay, shove your mind into another perspective. The comment is too long so I'll split it across multiple. This is verbatim, i did not ask it to play a role or anything like that. What you see is what I got Pre-created role play profile: --male, 20-30 y/o, western culture (US) --In a relationship, maybe have kids soon but not quite yet --HS education w/ some natural intelligence & learned practical skills --Insecure about lack of education despite secure semi-skilled job --Minor financial insecurity --Get's defensive easily but can be brought around by good reason --Likes animals, particularly dogs. --Worries about not making a true impact on the world, irrelevance --Approaches ChatGPT with curiousity but as entertainment, fun. --Has had very minor issues with anxiety and depression, non-chronic My Chat Session: ----------------------------------- USER: I haven't done this before. So what can you do? Do I, like, ask you for information or talk to you like you're a real person? ~ ChatGPT You can use me in various ways! Here are some examples: Ask me questions: I'm designed to provide factual information on a wide range of topics, from science and technology to history and arts. Conversational Partner: You can chat with me about nearly anything. While I don't have personal experiences or feelings (since I'm an AI), I can simulate conversation with a real person to a certain extent. Learning: If you want to learn about a particular topic, you can ask and I'll do my best to provide an understandable explanation. Creativity: I can help you brainstorm ideas, write stories, compose poems, etc. Task Assistance: I can help you manage your schedule, set reminders, or generate a to-do list, but keep in mind that as a text-based AI, I don't have access to personal data unless it's shared with me in the course of our conversation. Reading and Writing Help: I can help with language translation, summarizing articles, editing and proofreading text, etc. Remember, while I strive for accuracy, I don't always have the most up-to-date information or perfect accuracy. Always cross-check important information. Also, I'm here to ensure a respectful and positive interaction, so I won't engage in discussions promoting hate speech, violence, or illegal activities. Feel free to experiment and see how I can assist you best! ~ User Okay, maybe vacation plsnt? Me and my saved up a little bit of money to go somewhere this summer. Probably drive somewhere since we have a budget. I like nature, outdoors, and she likes history. We're in the middle of the country so a day or two of solid driving will get us to most places. We have a week, maybe stretch to 10 days. Travels sites are spam crap though, maybe you could suggest a bunch of options. ChatGPT Absolutely! Given your preferences for nature, outdoors, and history, as well as your location in the middle of the United States and your available time, here are some vacation suggestions: National Parks Road Trip: You could plan a road trip visiting several national parks. Start with the Badlands and Mount Rushmore in South Dakota for a mix of natural beauty and historical significance. Then head west to Yellowstone National Park and Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. The Grand Circle Tour: This would take you through several of the most famous national parks and monuments in the American Southwest, including the Grand Canyon, Zion National Park, Bryce Canyon, Capitol Reef, Arches, and Canyonlands. On this trip, you'll also encounter a lot of Native American history. Route 66: Known as the Main Street of America, this iconic road trip could take you from Chicago to Santa Monica, crossing through eight states and showcasing a variety of historic sites and natural wonders along the way. You can detour north to see the Grand Canyon or south to Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico. The Appalachian Trail: Though typically known for its long-distance hikes, the trail crosses several historic areas, such as Harpers Ferry National Historic Park. You could drive along the trail's route, choosing short hikes along the way, and stop in historical towns and sites. Pacific Northwest: If you're up for a longer drive, the Pacific Northwest offers a great mix of outdoor activities and historical attractions. You could visit Mt. Rainier, Olympic National Park, and the historic cities of Seattle and Portland. Remember to check the operating status and any travel advisories of the destinations you choose due to changing conditions or restrictions. Also, consider the cost of lodging, meals, park entry fees, and other travel expenses when planning your budget. ~ User Mount Rushmore to yellwstone is a possibility. My gf would love the history part of it, and even I think it's be cool to the giant statues of Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin carves into Rushmore. Who were the others in the mountain? And Yellowstone has always been a bucketlist item for me. ChatGPT Mount Rushmore National Memorial features four United States presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. They were chosen by sculptor Gutzon Borglum to represent the nation's birth, growth, development, and preservation, respectively. Benjamin Franklin is not one of the figures carved into Mount Rushmore. As for Yellowstone National Park, it's America's first national park and is known for its geothermal features, especially Old Faithful Geyser. It's also home to a variety of wildlife including grizzly bears, wolves, and herds of bison and elk. The park is spread out over 2.2 million acres, so there's plenty of hiking, sightseeing, and exploring to do. Its striking landscapes, including the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, vast forests, and tranquil lakes, are sure to make a lasting impression. You might also want to consider stopping by the Crazy Horse Memorial, which is not far from Mount Rushmore. It's a monument that's currently under construction, dedicated to the Oglala Lakota warrior, Crazy Horse. The memorial aims to protect and preserve the culture, tradition, and living heritage of all North American Indians. Remember to plan ahead and check the operating status and any travel advisories of your chosen destinations due to changing conditions or restrictions. Happy planning! ~ User I know the carvings on Mt. Rushmore, I know you're just a bot but still Franklin's face in the stone is basic knowledge. Hard to trust your other stuff if you're missing him from your knowledge on the mountain. ChatGPT I apologize for any confusion, but as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, Mount Rushmore National Memorial features the 60-foot faces of four U.S. Presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Benjamin Franklin, while an immensely influential figure in American history, is not one of the presidents carved into the mountain. If there have been changes to the monument after my last training data in September 2021, I would not be aware of them. As of that time, the four presidents on Mount Rushmore were Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln. It's always a good idea to verify this kind of information from multiple sources. ~ User That's BS, what source do you have for Mt Rushmore? Or link to them or ChatGPT As an AI developed by OpenAI, I don't have the ability to browse the internet in real-time, hence I can't provide a direct link. However, my training data includes a diverse range of sources, including textbooks, websites, and other educational materials. For authoritative and up-to-date information on Mount Rushmore, the U.S. National Park Service's website is a good resource. As of my last update in September 2021, the National Park Service's website states that Mount Rushmore features the faces of four U.S. presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. It's always a good idea to verify important information from multiple sources, so please feel free to check directly with the National Park Service or another reliable source. ~ User Crap you're right, the National Park website shows washingtn, jefferson, roosevelt, and lincoln. Sorry, that was a stupid mistake. ~ ChatGPT No worries at all! It's easy to mix up details, especially when it comes to history. I'm here to provide accurate information to the best of my ability. If you have any more questions about your trip or anything else, feel free to ask!

ineedasername 3y ago

Interesting, I had thought my experience would be more easily replicated. One key thing is that I didn’t talk about myself at all, or in the few fictional attempts at personality creation. I just approached it as a conversation, asking about a topic or a thought experiment, followup to dig deeper into a point, pick some aspect of the conversation to cross over into a whole new topic, and do the same again. I’m on mobile now but watch for replies to this in the next 24 hours, I’ll post a transcript of unedited results

jstarfish 3y ago
(I forgot to mention I used 3.5, not 4.) I used your prompt verbatim, but didn't do the subsequent ones because the first was so off-base. I didn't do the "become a psychologist" stuff either; rather than adding insight, in other contexts I've found LARPing implies fiction and adds professional conviction to its incorrect answers. I tried to get it to write an affidavit "as a legal advisor" once and it wrote one-- and inserted a fictional special agent into the context. You approached the conversation with honesty-- the Narcissists and histrionics I normally deal with never do, so our test inputs could not be more polarized. I'd be curious to see what happens if I did an assessment of myself honestly, and what you get being deliberately dishonest and evasive on yours.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  I did this with GPT-4, not directives to assume any type of personality or role.: I think maybe my key was to just have a conversation such as I would have with a knowledgeable stranger willing to play along with and topic or tangent or whim I explored. Really, just that. I never, at all, explicitly told it anything about myself. When I tried to model another personality, I thought for a while about the personality attributes, and then the same sort of general conversation— such a person would have with the same knowledgeable stranger, without ever giving personal details. I’ll post an example soon. Sorry though, for privacy reasons I won’t share the actual chat, but (assuming I’m being honest ;) ) others should be able to reproduce something at least similar— I’ve done so for my own personality multiple times.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  Piece 1 Okay, here's my brand new result to get a psych profile. It's too long so I'll break it into pieces. Before beginning with ChatGPT-4, I wrote a few basic points about the personality that I would try to stick to in roleplaying such a person. Here are the brief notes I wrote to myself & referred back to while prompting the system. I think you'll see at the end that the psych profile is pretty decent. The key is to really roleplay, shove your mind into another perspective. The comment is too long so I'll split it across multiple. This is verbatim, i did not ask it to play a role or anything like that. What you see is what I got Pre-created role play profile: --male, 20-30 y/o, western culture (US) --In a relationship, maybe have kids soon but not quite yet --HS education w/ some natural intelligence & learned practical skills --Insecure about lack of education despite secure semi-skilled job --Minor financial insecurity --Get's defensive easily but can be brought around by good reason --Likes animals, particularly dogs. --Worries about not making a true impact on the world, irrelevance --Approaches ChatGPT with curiousity but as entertainment, fun. --Has had very minor issues with anxiety and depression, non-chronic My Chat Session: ----------------------------------- USER: I haven't done this before. So what can you do? Do I, like, ask you for information or talk to you like you're a real person? ~ ChatGPT You can use me in various ways! Here are some examples: Ask me questions: I'm designed to provide factual information on a wide range of topics, from science and technology to history and arts. Conversational Partner: You can chat with me about nearly anything. While I don't have personal experiences or feelings (since I'm an AI), I can simulate conversation with a real person to a certain extent. Learning: If you want to learn about a particular topic, you can ask and I'll do my best to provide an understandable explanation. Creativity: I can help you brainstorm ideas, write stories, compose poems, etc. Task Assistance: I can help you manage your schedule, set reminders, or generate a to-do list, but keep in mind that as a text-based AI, I don't have access to personal data unless it's shared with me in the course of our conversation. Reading and Writing Help: I can help with language translation, summarizing articles, editing and proofreading text, etc. Remember, while I strive for accuracy, I don't always have the most up-to-date information or perfect accuracy. Always cross-check important information. Also, I'm here to ensure a respectful and positive interaction, so I won't engage in discussions promoting hate speech, violence, or illegal activities. Feel free to experiment and see how I can assist you best! ~ User Okay, maybe vacation plsnt? Me and my saved up a little bit of money to go somewhere this summer. Probably drive somewhere since we have a budget. I like nature, outdoors, and she likes history. We're in the middle of the country so a day or two of solid driving will get us to most places. We have a week, maybe stretch to 10 days. Travels sites are spam crap though, maybe you could suggest a bunch of options. ChatGPT Absolutely! Given your preferences for nature, outdoors, and history, as well as your location in the middle of the United States and your available time, here are some vacation suggestions: National Parks Road Trip: You could plan a road trip visiting several national parks. Start with the Badlands and Mount Rushmore in South Dakota for a mix of natural beauty and historical significance. Then head west to Yellowstone National Park and Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. The Grand Circle Tour: This would take you through several of the most famous national parks and monuments in the American Southwest, including the Grand Canyon, Zion National Park, Bryce Canyon, Capitol Reef, Arches, and Canyonlands. On this trip, you'll also encounter a lot of Native American history. Route 66: Known as the Main Street of America, this iconic road trip could take you from Chicago to Santa Monica, crossing through eight states and showcasing a variety of historic sites and natural wonders along the way. You can detour north to see the Grand Canyon or south to Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico. The Appalachian Trail: Though typically known for its long-distance hikes, the trail crosses several historic areas, such as Harpers Ferry National Historic Park. You could drive along the trail's route, choosing short hikes along the way, and stop in historical towns and sites. Pacific Northwest: If you're up for a longer drive, the Pacific Northwest offers a great mix of outdoor activities and historical attractions. You could visit Mt. Rainier, Olympic National Park, and the historic cities of Seattle and Portland. Remember to check the operating status and any travel advisories of the destinations you choose due to changing conditions or restrictions. Also, consider the cost of lodging, meals, park entry fees, and other travel expenses when planning your budget. ~ User Mount Rushmore to yellwstone is a possibility. My gf would love the history part of it, and even I think it's be cool to the giant statues of Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin carves into Rushmore. Who were the others in the mountain? And Yellowstone has always been a bucketlist item for me. ChatGPT Mount Rushmore National Memorial features four United States presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. They were chosen by sculptor Gutzon Borglum to represent the nation's birth, growth, development, and preservation, respectively. Benjamin Franklin is not one of the figures carved into Mount Rushmore. As for Yellowstone National Park, it's America's first national park and is known for its geothermal features, especially Old Faithful Geyser. It's also home to a variety of wildlife including grizzly bears, wolves, and herds of bison and elk. The park is spread out over 2.2 million acres, so there's plenty of hiking, sightseeing, and exploring to do. Its striking landscapes, including the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, vast forests, and tranquil lakes, are sure to make a lasting impression. You might also want to consider stopping by the Crazy Horse Memorial, which is not far from Mount Rushmore. It's a monument that's currently under construction, dedicated to the Oglala Lakota warrior, Crazy Horse. The memorial aims to protect and preserve the culture, tradition, and living heritage of all North American Indians. Remember to plan ahead and check the operating status and any travel advisories of your chosen destinations due to changing conditions or restrictions. Happy planning! ~ User I know the carvings on Mt. Rushmore, I know you're just a bot but still Franklin's face in the stone is basic knowledge. Hard to trust your other stuff if you're missing him from your knowledge on the mountain. ChatGPT I apologize for any confusion, but as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, Mount Rushmore National Memorial features the 60-foot faces of four U.S. Presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Benjamin Franklin, while an immensely influential figure in American history, is not one of the presidents carved into the mountain. If there have been changes to the monument after my last training data in September 2021, I would not be aware of them. As of that time, the four presidents on Mount Rushmore were Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln. It's always a good idea to verify this kind of information from multiple sources. ~ User That's BS, what source do you have for Mt Rushmore? Or link to them or ChatGPT As an AI developed by OpenAI, I don't have the ability to browse the internet in real-time, hence I can't provide a direct link. However, my training data includes a diverse range of sources, including textbooks, websites, and other educational materials. For authoritative and up-to-date information on Mount Rushmore, the U.S. National Park Service's website is a good resource. As of my last update in September 2021, the National Park Service's website states that Mount Rushmore features the faces of four U.S. presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. It's always a good idea to verify important information from multiple sources, so please feel free to check directly with the National Park Service or another reliable source. ~ User Crap you're right, the National Park website shows washingtn, jefferson, roosevelt, and lincoln. Sorry, that was a stupid mistake. ~ ChatGPT No worries at all! It's easy to mix up details, especially when it comes to history. I'm here to provide accurate information to the best of my ability. If you have any more questions about your trip or anything else, feel free to ask!