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I actually cancelled a Model 3 order and went with a Kia EV6 instead, but doesn't Tesla have the strongest brand loyalty? https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tes

I actually cancelled a Model 3 order and went with a Kia EV6 instead, but doesn't Tesla have the strongest brand loyalty? https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-of-any-automaker/ https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-o...

dzhiurgis 3y ago
And how does it feel to pay more for less?
- bdcravens 3y ago
  At the time, the EV6 was $4500 less. The EV6 has some advantages over the Model 3: USS, V2L, CarPlay, etc. The Model 3 of course has advantages of its own, but the Model 3 isn't the slam dunk leader that those emotionally invested in the vehicle suggest.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Model Y was about $6k USD cheaper here over Ioniq5/Ev6, but: * has remote control app * phone as a key * autopilot * heated steering wheel & seats * power liftgate * panoramic sunroof (which turned out a huge con) For some reason hyundai/kia doesn’t have app nor it’s version of autopilot here. V2L is very nice feature, but I realise I’d use it maayyybe once a year. China made Teslas still have USS. Also turns out I didn’t need CarPlay - Teslas maps are good enough.
    - bdcravens 3y ago
      Now, or in September 2022? At the time I bought my EV6, the Model Y had an MSRP of $66k. My Model 3 I cancelled had an invoiced price of $56k. My EV6 was around $52k as I recall. I'm not sure where you're getting that list from. (Perhaps you are looking at the "Light" trim, not the "Wind" trim) Kia has an app that allows me remote access (perhaps you're expecting a dedicated app; the Kia app is used for multiple models). It has a full suite of assisted driving, as most manufacturers do, that Tesla includes in "autopilot" (lane keep, adaptive cruise control, autobraking, etc). The seats are heated and cooled, and the steering wheel is heated. It has a power liftgate. The EV6 is available with a sunroof, but it has less headroom, so I opted for the version without. There's features I wish the EV6 had, some that Tesla has, some that other vehicles like my wife's ID.4 has.
      - dzhiurgis 3y ago
        This was about 2 months ago in New Zealand. For some reason they don't have app or driver assist here. Yes all the features are available for even more $$$. Prices as of today in NZD: EV6 Air RWD 76,990 Tesla Model Y SR RWD 71,400
        bdcravens 3y ago
        Looks like the trims are different; looking at the Kia NZ website, my model is closer to the Earth trim, which is listed at $99k NZD. I would agree the base Model Y is a better value than the base EV6, but once you start moving up the trim levels, it's not as mismatched. According to this article, last summer the prices were closer (I assume it was a similar situation to the US, where EVs were hard to find due to demand) https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129019916/price-increases-for-tesla-and-kia-evs https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129019916/price-increases-f... Obviously I'm not familiar with pricing dynamics of NZ, like tariffs, tax incentives, or the role that the dealer network plays in influences prices.
        dzhiurgis 3y ago
        Yes Model Y price drops are very recent hence it's such a deal. One more thing I forgot - base Air doesn't even have leather seats (not that I like Tesla's vegan leather). For incentives - we do get $7100 rebate which doesn't even cover GST you pay for car, but it's something.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

And how does it feel to pay more for less?

bdcravens 3y ago
At the time, the EV6 was $4500 less. The EV6 has some advantages over the Model 3: USS, V2L, CarPlay, etc. The Model 3 of course has advantages of its own, but the Model 3 isn't the slam dunk leader that those emotionally invested in the vehicle suggest.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Model Y was about $6k USD cheaper here over Ioniq5/Ev6, but: * has remote control app * phone as a key * autopilot * heated steering wheel & seats * power liftgate * panoramic sunroof (which turned out a huge con) For some reason hyundai/kia doesn’t have app nor it’s version of autopilot here. V2L is very nice feature, but I realise I’d use it maayyybe once a year. China made Teslas still have USS. Also turns out I didn’t need CarPlay - Teslas maps are good enough.
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    Now, or in September 2022? At the time I bought my EV6, the Model Y had an MSRP of $66k. My Model 3 I cancelled had an invoiced price of $56k. My EV6 was around $52k as I recall. I'm not sure where you're getting that list from. (Perhaps you are looking at the "Light" trim, not the "Wind" trim) Kia has an app that allows me remote access (perhaps you're expecting a dedicated app; the Kia app is used for multiple models). It has a full suite of assisted driving, as most manufacturers do, that Tesla includes in "autopilot" (lane keep, adaptive cruise control, autobraking, etc). The seats are heated and cooled, and the steering wheel is heated. It has a power liftgate. The EV6 is available with a sunroof, but it has less headroom, so I opted for the version without. There's features I wish the EV6 had, some that Tesla has, some that other vehicles like my wife's ID.4 has.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      This was about 2 months ago in New Zealand. For some reason they don't have app or driver assist here. Yes all the features are available for even more $$$. Prices as of today in NZD: EV6 Air RWD 76,990 Tesla Model Y SR RWD 71,400
      - bdcravens 3y ago
        Looks like the trims are different; looking at the Kia NZ website, my model is closer to the Earth trim, which is listed at $99k NZD. I would agree the base Model Y is a better value than the base EV6, but once you start moving up the trim levels, it's not as mismatched. According to this article, last summer the prices were closer (I assume it was a similar situation to the US, where EVs were hard to find due to demand) https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129019916/price-increases-for-tesla-and-kia-evs https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129019916/price-increases-f... Obviously I'm not familiar with pricing dynamics of NZ, like tariffs, tax incentives, or the role that the dealer network plays in influences prices.
        dzhiurgis 3y ago
        Yes Model Y price drops are very recent hence it's such a deal. One more thing I forgot - base Air doesn't even have leather seats (not that I like Tesla's vegan leather). For incentives - we do get $7100 rebate which doesn't even cover GST you pay for car, but it's something.