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That's the thing, they can't really defend themselves in the court of public opinion. And just take a look here at the comments from people who have absolutely

That's the thing, they can't really defend themselves in the court of public opinion. And just take a look here at the comments from people who have absolutely nothing to do with the domain. I know I would be frustrated.

hall0ween 3y ago
Not only a court of public opinion but in judicial court IC behavior like this is deemed unconstitutional once allowed to be discussed.
digging 3y ago
> That's the thing, they can't really defend themselves in the court of public opinion. If if they were able, how could they possibly win people over? They've violated our trust, privacy, and (arguably) our legal rights. Even if they're literally keeping the nation from being taken over by China or Russia, they're also the bad guys. I can accept that it's possible I'm better off with them than without them... but I hate them, because they abuse me.
- juve1996 3y ago
  Many Americans supported torture in Guantanamo bay in the name of safety, and other US atrocities. The idea that they wouldn't win over a majority of Americans seems unlikely.
  - digging 3y ago
    Yes, but they were supporting torture of other people. That's a big distinction for most. However, you are probably right that they conceivably could manufacture consent in this case as well.
    - juve1996 3y ago
      Many americans support the death penalty against their very own citizens too. They can definitely manufacture consent, but for many that won't even be necessary at this point.
boomboomsubban 3y ago
I haven't watched the news in a while, but my memory of it is that the intelligence agencies had a constant presence on them, with multiple former employees working for all the major cable news networks and the agencies themselves being asked to comment on basically any remotely related issue. Maybe there's some string of successes they can't brag about, but they still regularly defend themselves in the court of public opinion and further often dominate the discussion.

hall0ween 3y ago

Not only a court of public opinion but in judicial court IC behavior like this is deemed unconstitutional once allowed to be discussed.

digging 3y ago

> That's the thing, they can't really defend themselves in the court of public opinion. If if they were able, how could they possibly win people over? They've violated our trust, privacy, and (arguably) our legal rights. Even if they're literally keeping the nation from being taken over by China or Russia, they're also the bad guys. I can accept that it's possible I'm better off with them than without them... but I hate them, because they abuse me.

juve1996 3y ago
Many Americans supported torture in Guantanamo bay in the name of safety, and other US atrocities. The idea that they wouldn't win over a majority of Americans seems unlikely.
- digging 3y ago
  Yes, but they were supporting torture of other people. That's a big distinction for most. However, you are probably right that they conceivably could manufacture consent in this case as well.
  - juve1996 3y ago
    Many americans support the death penalty against their very own citizens too. They can definitely manufacture consent, but for many that won't even be necessary at this point.

boomboomsubban 3y ago

I haven't watched the news in a while, but my memory of it is that the intelligence agencies had a constant presence on them, with multiple former employees working for all the major cable news networks and the agencies themselves being asked to comment on basically any remotely related issue. Maybe there's some string of successes they can't brag about, but they still regularly defend themselves in the court of public opinion and further often dominate the discussion.