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But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. I wish macos had an easy way to sandbox apps.

by ris58h 3y ago

josephcsible 3y ago
> But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. Making Apple $99 richer doesn't make your app any less dangerous.
- TylerE 3y ago
  It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 is an analogous case. When the primary provider of free domains names went away, there was a HUGE reduction in phishing websites. Those types would spin up thouands of sites on xyz, vip and similar TLDs faster than the white hats could whackamole them. A domain going from $0 to $10 vastly curtailed that activity. You don't have to make something impossible, you just have to make it not cost effective to shot gun it.
  - Hamuko 3y ago
    >It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. Only because Apple has made it so. What would be the drawback if I, a macOS developer not paying Apple $99 per year, had access to the macOS application notarization service for free?
- anlaw 3y ago
  You aren’t the center of other people’s lives. How is any old arbitrary user to know you’re not a con of a dev? Software sales are contrived fiat exchange to give your code access to my hardware and userspace. Who the f are you?
  - heavyset_go 3y ago
    > You aren’t the center of other people’s lives And Apple is?
    - anlaw 3y ago
      Is Apple some immutable scientific center of reality? No. But neither are you. It’s not a question of Apple is or isn’t but a statement “you are not”. Apple suddenly vanishing would actually have a much more dramatic effect on millions than 1,000 random open source freelancers vanishing.
- hiatus 3y ago
  Having "skin in the game" is a way to keep a community honest. Even darknet markets use bonding for vendors. Not to mention that in the case of Apple registration, it leaves a paper trail. Though I'd agree that the $99 for the privilege seems arbitrary.
- deleted 3y ago
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- ris58h 3y ago
  - AppStore apps must be sandboxed. - AppStore apps are reviewed by Apple. - Apple can ban malicious app in AppStore. - Apple checks binaries when you run them even they aren't from AppStore due to notarization.

But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. I wish macos had an easy way to sandbox apps.

by ris58h 3y ago

But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. I wish macos had an easy way to sandbox apps.

> But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. Making Apple $99 richer doesn't make your app any less dangerous.

TylerE 3y ago
It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 is an analogous case. When the primary provider of free domains names went away, there was a HUGE reduction in phishing websites. Those types would spin up thouands of sites on xyz, vip and similar TLDs faster than the white hats could whackamole them. A domain going from $0 to $10 vastly curtailed that activity. You don't have to make something impossible, you just have to make it not cost effective to shot gun it.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  >It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. Only because Apple has made it so. What would be the drawback if I, a macOS developer not paying Apple $99 per year, had access to the macOS application notarization service for free?
anlaw 3y ago
You aren’t the center of other people’s lives. How is any old arbitrary user to know you’re not a con of a dev? Software sales are contrived fiat exchange to give your code access to my hardware and userspace. Who the f are you?
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  > You aren’t the center of other people’s lives And Apple is?
  - anlaw 3y ago
    Is Apple some immutable scientific center of reality? No. But neither are you. It’s not a question of Apple is or isn’t but a statement “you are not”. Apple suddenly vanishing would actually have a much more dramatic effect on millions than 1,000 random open source freelancers vanishing.
hiatus 3y ago
Having "skin in the game" is a way to keep a community honest. Even darknet markets use bonding for vendors. Not to mention that in the case of Apple registration, it leaves a paper trail. Though I'd agree that the $99 for the privilege seems arbitrary.
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ris58h 3y ago
- AppStore apps must be sandboxed. - AppStore apps are reviewed by Apple. - Apple can ban malicious app in AppStore. - Apple checks binaries when you run them even they aren't from AppStore due to notarization.