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How come all these fires started at the same time, on the same day across Quebec? https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686160767790674.webm https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686

How come all these fires started at the same time, on the same day across Quebec? https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686160767790674.webm https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686160767790674.webm

pvaldes 3y ago
> How come all these fires started at the same time Waves of wildfires starting in the same day can happen by natural causes like a dry storm, but are also a typical signature in wildfires linked to criminal activity. Example: 121 provoked wildfires in the same night and council in North Spain March 2023, a few days after the police stopped a narco operation. There are some suspicious trends, there is a wave of fires aiming to overpower the firefigthers capability to react. Often at night or weekends. The first spots burnt are often delimited by administrative frontiers, the string of fires follow a road, and fires extinguished reactivate often in the next nights. The fire starts first on internet. Wildfires are also typically coupled with cyberwarfare mocking environmentalism and scientific facts on social webs and journals. The criminal thinks that is a hero or adopts a role of victim. There is a lot of self-justifying and blame deflection towards other targetted groups. At least in Southern Europe this is a reaally common pattern. Your mileage may vary.
baggy_trough 3y ago
presumably lightning.
- alexose 3y ago
  Yep, almost certainly this. The same thing has been happening every year out west. It sometimes takes a day or more for lightning-caused fires to grow to a size that they can be detected via satellite.
- tricksforfree 3y ago
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  - baggy_trough 3y ago
    Satellites will pick it up if it's lightning. It's very common (see giant fires on the West Coast in the past few years).
  - anoonmoose 3y ago
    I don't see how one could reasonably say a thing that has happened before and a thing that hasn't happened before are equally plausible explanations for a thing that is currently happening.
    - fknorangesite 3y ago
      I don't know about in the US, but in Canada in recent weeks there have been conspiracy theories floating around that the wildfires in Alberta were started by The Libs™ in order to make the provincial Conservative government look bad in the lead-up to an election. So, uh, keep in mind that some commenters might be Just Asking Questions.
      - anoonmoose 3y ago
        I don't wanna be too cynical but I did look at the accounts of the two people in this thread who seem to find the idea plausible and found...pretty much exactly what I expected to find. So, yeah, I agree with you, lotta JAQing off.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Historical lightning map: https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 Go back to June 1 for a good example of lots of lightning in the right area. https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe June 6 also has some in the same rough area of Quebec
  - KoftaBob 3y ago
    Coordinated arson of that massive a scale would be incredibly difficult, and what would be the motivation to do that?
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wahnfrieden 3y ago
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hnburnsy 3y ago
There are fire and lighting satellite animations, go back 24 hours and you can see the fires flare across Canada...example...https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G16&sector=ne&band=FireTemperature&length=120&dim=undefined https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G1...
dvh 3y ago
After sunrise PIG[1] as temperature raises and humidity falls goes up. If there are conditions for fire PIG will nicely synchronize it so it will go up almost instantly. [1]https://www.nwcg.gov/publications/pms437/fuel-moisture/probability-of-ignition https://www.nwcg.gov/publications/pms437/fuel-moisture/proba...
ceejayoz 3y ago
Your video shows June 2, with fires starting to be visible from space around noon Eastern on that day. On the evening of June 1, a large lightning storm passed through the area. (You can even see the storm's clouds continuing on towards Maine in your video.) https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30
rootusrootus 3y ago
Something interesting I noticed when we had extremely dry days in my area (fairly warm, too, but the really noteworthy part was the utter lack of humidity) was that fires sprang up seeming randomly all around the area. Started seeing conspiracy theories of arsonists going around lighting things on fire. I gather that there are many triggers for fires which normally don't get enough traction to take off.

How come all these fires started at the same time, on the same day across Quebec? https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686160767790674.webm https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1686160767790674.webm

pvaldes 3y ago

> How come all these fires started at the same time Waves of wildfires starting in the same day can happen by natural causes like a dry storm, but are also a typical signature in wildfires linked to criminal activity. Example: 121 provoked wildfires in the same night and council in North Spain March 2023, a few days after the police stopped a narco operation. There are some suspicious trends, there is a wave of fires aiming to overpower the firefigthers capability to react. Often at night or weekends. The first spots burnt are often delimited by administrative frontiers, the string of fires follow a road, and fires extinguished reactivate often in the next nights. The fire starts first on internet. Wildfires are also typically coupled with cyberwarfare mocking environmentalism and scientific facts on social webs and journals. The criminal thinks that is a hero or adopts a role of victim. There is a lot of self-justifying and blame deflection towards other targetted groups. At least in Southern Europe this is a reaally common pattern. Your mileage may vary.

baggy_trough 3y ago

presumably lightning.

alexose 3y ago
Yep, almost certainly this. The same thing has been happening every year out west. It sometimes takes a day or more for lightning-caused fires to grow to a size that they can be detected via satellite.
tricksforfree 3y ago
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- baggy_trough 3y ago
  Satellites will pick it up if it's lightning. It's very common (see giant fires on the West Coast in the past few years).
- anoonmoose 3y ago
  I don't see how one could reasonably say a thing that has happened before and a thing that hasn't happened before are equally plausible explanations for a thing that is currently happening.
  - fknorangesite 3y ago
    I don't know about in the US, but in Canada in recent weeks there have been conspiracy theories floating around that the wildfires in Alberta were started by The Libs™ in order to make the provincial Conservative government look bad in the lead-up to an election. So, uh, keep in mind that some commenters might be Just Asking Questions.
    - anoonmoose 3y ago
      I don't wanna be too cynical but I did look at the accounts of the two people in this thread who seem to find the idea plausible and found...pretty much exactly what I expected to find. So, yeah, I agree with you, lotta JAQing off.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Historical lightning map: https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 Go back to June 1 for a good example of lots of lightning in the right area. https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe June 6 also has some in the same rough area of Quebec
- KoftaBob 3y ago
  Coordinated arson of that massive a scale would be incredibly difficult, and what would be the motivation to do that?

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wahnfrieden 3y ago

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hnburnsy 3y ago

There are fire and lighting satellite animations, go back 24 hours and you can see the fires flare across Canada...example...https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G16&sector=ne&band=FireTemperature&length=120&dim=undefined https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G1...

dvh 3y ago

After sunrise PIG[1] as temperature raises and humidity falls goes up. If there are conditions for fire PIG will nicely synchronize it so it will go up almost instantly. [1]https://www.nwcg.gov/publications/pms437/fuel-moisture/probability-of-ignition https://www.nwcg.gov/publications/pms437/fuel-moisture/proba...

ceejayoz 3y ago

Your video shows June 2, with fires starting to be visible from space around noon Eastern on that day. On the evening of June 1, a large lightning storm passed through the area. (You can even see the storm's clouds continuing on towards Maine in your video.) https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://imgur.com/a/LcM8sMe https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30 https://www.blitzortung.org/en/historical_maps.php?map=30

rootusrootus 3y ago

Something interesting I noticed when we had extremely dry days in my area (fairly warm, too, but the really noteworthy part was the utter lack of humidity) was that fires sprang up seeming randomly all around the area. Started seeing conspiracy theories of arsonists going around lighting things on fire. I gather that there are many triggers for fires which normally don't get enough traction to take off.