3 ms·

I don't like the $99 fee either, but to be fair, Apple will tell you that they can't tell if the app is dangerous. Not that it is dangerous. Specifically, they

by pivo 3y ago

I don't like the $99 fee either, but to be fair, Apple will tell you that they can't tell if the app is dangerous. Not that it is dangerous. Specifically, they will tell you that the app Cannot Be Opened Because the Developer Cannot be Verified You can of course open it the app anyway by disregarding this protection for the specific app in settings.

josephcsible 3y ago
> Apple will tell you that they can't tell if the app is dangerous. Not that it is dangerous. Specifically, they will tell you that the app Cannot Be Opened Because the Developer Cannot be Verified Okay, how about this? They're trying their hardest to give everyone the impression that it's dangerous without explicitly saying so.
- ris58h 3y ago
  But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. I wish macos had an easy way to sandbox apps.
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    > But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. Making Apple $99 richer doesn't make your app any less dangerous.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 is an analogous case. When the primary provider of free domains names went away, there was a HUGE reduction in phishing websites. Those types would spin up thouands of sites on xyz, vip and similar TLDs faster than the white hats could whackamole them. A domain going from $0 to $10 vastly curtailed that activity. You don't have to make something impossible, you just have to make it not cost effective to shot gun it.
      - Hamuko 3y ago
        >It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. Only because Apple has made it so. What would be the drawback if I, a macOS developer not paying Apple $99 per year, had access to the macOS application notarization service for free?
    - anlaw 3y ago
      You aren’t the center of other people’s lives. How is any old arbitrary user to know you’re not a con of a dev? Software sales are contrived fiat exchange to give your code access to my hardware and userspace. Who the f are you?
      - heavyset_go 3y ago
        > You aren’t the center of other people’s lives And Apple is?
        anlaw 3y ago
        Is Apple some immutable scientific center of reality? No. But neither are you. It’s not a question of Apple is or isn’t but a statement “you are not”. Apple suddenly vanishing would actually have a much more dramatic effect on millions than 1,000 random open source freelancers vanishing.
    - hiatus 3y ago
      Having "skin in the game" is a way to keep a community honest. Even darknet markets use bonding for vendors. Not to mention that in the case of Apple registration, it leaves a paper trail. Though I'd agree that the $99 for the privilege seems arbitrary.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - ris58h 3y ago
      - AppStore apps must be sandboxed. - AppStore apps are reviewed by Apple. - Apple can ban malicious app in AppStore. - Apple checks binaries when you run them even they aren't from AppStore due to notarization.
tcmart14 3y ago
I don't mind the pop up except for, I wish they had a way built in where it doesn't do it for like a special list of apps. Apps I am thinking of would be like GIMP or VLC. Well known open source projects that have been around a long time.

by pivo 3y ago

josephcsible 3y ago

> Apple will tell you that they can't tell if the app is dangerous. Not that it is dangerous. Specifically, they will tell you that the app Cannot Be Opened Because the Developer Cannot be Verified Okay, how about this? They're trying their hardest to give everyone the impression that it's dangerous without explicitly saying so.

ris58h 3y ago
But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. I wish macos had an easy way to sandbox apps.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  > But it is dangerous by definition. Run unknown binary is dangerous. Making Apple $99 richer doesn't make your app any less dangerous.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086537 is an analogous case. When the primary provider of free domains names went away, there was a HUGE reduction in phishing websites. Those types would spin up thouands of sites on xyz, vip and similar TLDs faster than the white hats could whackamole them. A domain going from $0 to $10 vastly curtailed that activity. You don't have to make something impossible, you just have to make it not cost effective to shot gun it.
    - Hamuko 3y ago
      >It makes random apps much less likely to be dangerous. Only because Apple has made it so. What would be the drawback if I, a macOS developer not paying Apple $99 per year, had access to the macOS application notarization service for free?
  - anlaw 3y ago
    You aren’t the center of other people’s lives. How is any old arbitrary user to know you’re not a con of a dev? Software sales are contrived fiat exchange to give your code access to my hardware and userspace. Who the f are you?
    - heavyset_go 3y ago
      > You aren’t the center of other people’s lives And Apple is?
      - anlaw 3y ago
        Is Apple some immutable scientific center of reality? No. But neither are you. It’s not a question of Apple is or isn’t but a statement “you are not”. Apple suddenly vanishing would actually have a much more dramatic effect on millions than 1,000 random open source freelancers vanishing.
  - hiatus 3y ago
    Having "skin in the game" is a way to keep a community honest. Even darknet markets use bonding for vendors. Not to mention that in the case of Apple registration, it leaves a paper trail. Though I'd agree that the $99 for the privilege seems arbitrary.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - ris58h 3y ago
    - AppStore apps must be sandboxed. - AppStore apps are reviewed by Apple. - Apple can ban malicious app in AppStore. - Apple checks binaries when you run them even they aren't from AppStore due to notarization.

tcmart14 3y ago

I don't mind the pop up except for, I wish they had a way built in where it doesn't do it for like a special list of apps. Apps I am thinking of would be like GIMP or VLC. Well known open source projects that have been around a long time.