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This title is misleading. The only change is that you don't need a developer account to download the developer beta version of iOS and macOS, which gets release

by bogwog 3y ago

This title is misleading. The only change is that you don't need a developer account to download the developer beta version of iOS and macOS, which gets released before the public beta. Seemingly nothing has changed with regards to the Apple tax. EDIT: I wonder how many people are invested enough into iOS/Mac development that they need to use early beta releases of the operating system, but aren't already paying $99/year to release apps?

alwillis 3y ago
> This title is misleading. It's not. Prior to this year, you had to have a paid account to install beta versions of the new operating systems announced at WWDC. Developers using free developer accounts had to wait until July until Apple released the public betas. No more sitting at the kids table. > I wonder how many people are invested enough into iOS/Mac development that they need to use early beta releases of the operating system, but aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? If you have an idea, you don't need to pay $99 to access the latest betas operating systems and tools to try something out. It's also not only about development; new operating systems have features for system administrators and others involved in deployment of Apple devices and services. Someone who's administers 100 Macs or iPads at a school can get a head start of new feature and options in the new versions. There has always been an IT track at WWDC, though it doesn't get much attention. For starters: "What's new in managing Apple devices" [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/10040 https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/10040
- Aleklart 3y ago
  it is not like anything changed in new version this year, only new emoji level features added. may be that’s why they let regular users install it right away.
- kotaKat 3y ago
  I’ve already had to notify my support team that iOS 17 reverts Private MAC address settings and breaks our network authentication on our network, so…
ris58h 3y ago
> I wonder how many people are invested enough into iOS/Mac development that they need to use early beta releases of the operating system, but aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? Why they should be developers in the first place? Just curious users.
judge2020 3y ago
For those glad about this change, it's not a "need" to use iOS or MacOS beta for any business reason, it's just the desire to live on the bleeding edge and experience new features first, even if that means crashes and instability. In addition, feedback submissions for betas are high priority and I usually get a reply within a month or so for them.
jedberg 3y ago
It's for college kids who have more time than money, who want to use the most bleeding edge OS. I used to be that kid. I would would hours in line to get pre-release Windows betas when I was a freshman because it was fun to run Windows NT4.0 beta.
makeitdouble 3y ago
> aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? I'd see Apple ID switching as a use case. You may want to use a different ID for a project (potentially share that ID if you don't want to manage an org for a hobby project), but not pay 99 on every single IDs you use. Of course Apple would be vehemently against that use case and typically wants you to tatoo your Apple ID to your soul and never log out from it.
cyberge99 3y ago
Will you be able to install subsequent beta versions after the first one (upgrades)?

by bogwog 3y ago

alwillis 3y ago

> This title is misleading. It's not. Prior to this year, you had to have a paid account to install beta versions of the new operating systems announced at WWDC. Developers using free developer accounts had to wait until July until Apple released the public betas. No more sitting at the kids table. > I wonder how many people are invested enough into iOS/Mac development that they need to use early beta releases of the operating system, but aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? If you have an idea, you don't need to pay $99 to access the latest betas operating systems and tools to try something out. It's also not only about development; new operating systems have features for system administrators and others involved in deployment of Apple devices and services. Someone who's administers 100 Macs or iPads at a school can get a head start of new feature and options in the new versions. There has always been an IT track at WWDC, though it doesn't get much attention. For starters: "What's new in managing Apple devices" [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/10040 https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/10040

Aleklart 3y ago
it is not like anything changed in new version this year, only new emoji level features added. may be that’s why they let regular users install it right away.
kotaKat 3y ago
I’ve already had to notify my support team that iOS 17 reverts Private MAC address settings and breaks our network authentication on our network, so…

ris58h 3y ago

> I wonder how many people are invested enough into iOS/Mac development that they need to use early beta releases of the operating system, but aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? Why they should be developers in the first place? Just curious users.

judge2020 3y ago

For those glad about this change, it's not a "need" to use iOS or MacOS beta for any business reason, it's just the desire to live on the bleeding edge and experience new features first, even if that means crashes and instability. In addition, feedback submissions for betas are high priority and I usually get a reply within a month or so for them.

jedberg 3y ago

It's for college kids who have more time than money, who want to use the most bleeding edge OS. I used to be that kid. I would would hours in line to get pre-release Windows betas when I was a freshman because it was fun to run Windows NT4.0 beta.

makeitdouble 3y ago

> aren't already paying $99/year to release apps? I'd see Apple ID switching as a use case. You may want to use a different ID for a project (potentially share that ID if you don't want to manage an org for a hobby project), but not pay 99 on every single IDs you use. Of course Apple would be vehemently against that use case and typically wants you to tatoo your Apple ID to your soul and never log out from it.

cyberge99 3y ago

Will you be able to install subsequent beta versions after the first one (upgrades)?