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I've observed the same. However I've also found, at least older engineers, often to be oddly conservative despite a huge overlap with being Star Trek fans. Ma

I've observed the same. However I've also found, at least older engineers, often to be oddly conservative despite a huge overlap with being Star Trek fans. Makes no sense. Maybe it's like the brain gets really efficient at solving problems in a specific way that it gets harder to see problems from another angle. Regardless it's a really exciting time to be an engineer.

irrational 3y ago
I don’t understand the Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > I don’t understand the Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate Not OP, but Star Trek posits a post-scarcity economy and progressive values. (It also presents a militarized society.)
  - thx-2718 3y ago
    What would you say it's militarized? I mean, the command structure of Star Fleet mirrors the military, but as far I know the the mirror universe is the 'militarized' society.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > the command structure of Star Fleet mirrors the military This. For someone with a longing for a culture that values duty, and with it, a sense of place and responsibility, a community with hierarchy, et cetera, Star Trek delivers. Today, those elements largely live within conservative America.
      - thx-2718 3y ago
        It is kind of interesting which parts of Roddenberry's creation people focus the most on. iirc He wanted to promote egalitarian values whilst portraying the efficiencies and comradery of a uniform service.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      The mirror universe is fascist, and sexist and racist. The normal one, well, everything is shown to be run by a military organization, Starfleet, ranging from exploration to first contact and diplomacy. Federation ambassadors are portrayed as spoiled, clueless clows. All while attributing Starfleet a clear moral superiority. And even shows like DS9, the Maquis angle hints at some moral dilema regarding the occupied colonies, show that obedience, following orders and some higher moral principle trump whatever pro-Maquis Starfleet personl might think. Because after all, if the heros ignore protocol or orders they never stabd against Starfleet. Overall, it is pretty militaristic in nature.
      - thx-2718 3y ago
        So I think we're operating on different interpretations of the term 'militaristic'. Star Trek primarily depicts the Federations (of planets) Military on the frontier of their space. The society within the Federation is generally a democratic one and the use of Star Fleet is not to invade. "Starfleet's function was to explore unknown territory on the behalf of the Federation government, to defend the Federation and its allies from threats, to further Federation policies and interests throughout interstellar space, and, when applicable, to initiate first contact with newly-discovered worlds and to engage in diplomatic negotiations on the behalf of the Federation. " https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_Starfleet https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_Starfleet "Unlike its traditional rivals who derive power from a single dominant species subjugating other races within the boundaries of their empire, the Federation's various Member States join willingly and are equals in the Federation's democratic society." https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/United_Federation_of_Pla... contrast that with: "Militarism is the belief or the desire of a government or a people that a state should maintain a strong military capability and to use it aggressively to expand national interests and/or values. It may also imply the glorification of the military and of the ideals of a professional military class and the "predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state (see also: stratocracy and military junta).... Militarism has been a significant element of the imperialist or expansionist ideologies of many nations throughout history. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism "A stratocracy is a form of government headed by military chiefs." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratocracy "A military junta is a government led by a committee of military leaders. The term junta means "meeting" or "committee" and originated in the national and local junta organized by the Spanish resistance to Napoleon's invasion of Spain in 1808." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta

irrational 3y ago

I don’t understand the Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> I don’t understand the Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate Not OP, but Star Trek posits a post-scarcity economy and progressive values. (It also presents a militarized society.)
- thx-2718 3y ago
  What would you say it's militarized? I mean, the command structure of Star Fleet mirrors the military, but as far I know the the mirror universe is the 'militarized' society.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > the command structure of Star Fleet mirrors the military This. For someone with a longing for a culture that values duty, and with it, a sense of place and responsibility, a community with hierarchy, et cetera, Star Trek delivers. Today, those elements largely live within conservative America.
    - thx-2718 3y ago
      It is kind of interesting which parts of Roddenberry's creation people focus the most on. iirc He wanted to promote egalitarian values whilst portraying the efficiencies and comradery of a uniform service.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    The mirror universe is fascist, and sexist and racist. The normal one, well, everything is shown to be run by a military organization, Starfleet, ranging from exploration to first contact and diplomacy. Federation ambassadors are portrayed as spoiled, clueless clows. All while attributing Starfleet a clear moral superiority. And even shows like DS9, the Maquis angle hints at some moral dilema regarding the occupied colonies, show that obedience, following orders and some higher moral principle trump whatever pro-Maquis Starfleet personl might think. Because after all, if the heros ignore protocol or orders they never stabd against Starfleet. Overall, it is pretty militaristic in nature.
    - thx-2718 3y ago
      So I think we're operating on different interpretations of the term 'militaristic'. Star Trek primarily depicts the Federations (of planets) Military on the frontier of their space. The society within the Federation is generally a democratic one and the use of Star Fleet is not to invade. "Starfleet's function was to explore unknown territory on the behalf of the Federation government, to defend the Federation and its allies from threats, to further Federation policies and interests throughout interstellar space, and, when applicable, to initiate first contact with newly-discovered worlds and to engage in diplomatic negotiations on the behalf of the Federation. " https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_Starfleet https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_Starfleet "Unlike its traditional rivals who derive power from a single dominant species subjugating other races within the boundaries of their empire, the Federation's various Member States join willingly and are equals in the Federation's democratic society." https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/United_Federation_of_Pla... contrast that with: "Militarism is the belief or the desire of a government or a people that a state should maintain a strong military capability and to use it aggressively to expand national interests and/or values. It may also imply the glorification of the military and of the ideals of a professional military class and the "predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state (see also: stratocracy and military junta).... Militarism has been a significant element of the imperialist or expansionist ideologies of many nations throughout history. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism "A stratocracy is a form of government headed by military chiefs." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratocracy "A military junta is a government led by a committee of military leaders. The term junta means "meeting" or "committee" and originated in the national and local junta organized by the Spanish resistance to Napoleon's invasion of Spain in 1808." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta