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Congratulations, you alone in the world have had this one genius thought that nobody else has ever thought of or considered, and definitely isn’t the first thin

Congratulations, you alone in the world have had this one genius thought that nobody else has ever thought of or considered, and definitely isn’t the first thing anyone who has spent zero time learning about any of the actual problems and just wants the most shallow possible dismissal of other peoples’ problems reaches for. The entire problem is solved, everyone, crisis over.

ltbarcly3 3y ago
The proof that this is not a problem is the rampant obesity and lack of people actually starving.
- valval 3y ago
  For some reason the doomers always forget that there hasn’t been a case of involuntary death from malnutrition in decades in America. The argument seems to revolve around the fact that there will always be people who are way worse off than most others. It’s not particularly more surprising than the fact that there will also always be people who are way better off than most others.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-13/deaths-from-malnutrition-have-more-than-doubled-in-the-u-s https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-13/... > Deaths attributed to malnutrition more than doubled, from about 650 in 2018 to roughly 1,400 in 2022, according to preliminary death certificate data from the California Department of Public Health. The same trend occurred nationwide, with malnutrition deaths more than doubling, from about 9,300 deaths in 2018 to roughly 20,500 in 2022, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > Malnutrition is particularly common among older people, especially those who are ill, low-income, homebound, or without reliable access to healthy food or medical services. It can result from not eating enough but also from poor eating habits that lead to nutritional deficiencies. The majority of deaths in California from malnutrition last year occurred in residents 85 and older.
    - ltbarcly3 3y ago
      These are people too elderly and feeble to take care of themselves, and often people who have medical conditions that prevent them from being able to absorb nutrition from food in addition to that. This has literally nothing to do with it being impossible to afford food. Also in the same period there were around 300,000 deaths due to obesity with around 30,000 in california.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        Sure. It just cites “low income” as a risk factor for fun. The claim was that no one dies of involuntary malnutrition. The claim is false.
        ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Right, but you are intentionally ignoring the context, intentionally misinterpreting the claim, and being pedantic. It's so lazy and dishonest to do a super literal close reading of what someone says and then debunk that. Your teachers failed you. It's completely obvious that OP meant that otherwise healthy people aren't starving to death. That used to be common, millions of otherwise healthy people died in famines in Ireland and Ukraine and China not so long ago. People that were healthy couldn't find a way to get their hands on enough calories and they wasted away and died, and their children wasted away and died, gradually over months. That literally doesn't happen in the US and hasn't for a long long time, and if you are claiming it does you live in a land of make believe.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > People that were healthy couldn't find a way to get their hands on enough calories... That sure sounds like the "low-income, homebound, or without reliable access to healthy food" bit from my quote. > It's completely obvious that OP meant that otherwise healthy people aren't starving to death. The chances of zero people having done that in a country of 330 million people "in decades", as asserted, is quite slim. https://www.mtshastanews.com/story/news/2021/02/05/living-and-dying-streets-san-francisco-how-scion-prominent-family-fell-through-cracks/4396680001/ https://www.mtshastanews.com/story/news/2021/02/05/living-an... is a case of a physically healthy man starving to death in SF. https://www.newsweek.com/2023/01/20/starved-death-american-jail-man-who-couldnt-pay-100-bail-1773459.html https://www.newsweek.com/2023/01/20/starved-death-american-j... is a case of someone starving to death in jail for want of $100 bail. I rather suspect other examples can be found.
- misnome 3y ago
  This is the _second_ obvious thing people go for when trying to achieve the same.

ltbarcly3 3y ago

The proof that this is not a problem is the rampant obesity and lack of people actually starving.

valval 3y ago
For some reason the doomers always forget that there hasn’t been a case of involuntary death from malnutrition in decades in America. The argument seems to revolve around the fact that there will always be people who are way worse off than most others. It’s not particularly more surprising than the fact that there will also always be people who are way better off than most others.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-13/deaths-from-malnutrition-have-more-than-doubled-in-the-u-s https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-13/... > Deaths attributed to malnutrition more than doubled, from about 650 in 2018 to roughly 1,400 in 2022, according to preliminary death certificate data from the California Department of Public Health. The same trend occurred nationwide, with malnutrition deaths more than doubling, from about 9,300 deaths in 2018 to roughly 20,500 in 2022, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > Malnutrition is particularly common among older people, especially those who are ill, low-income, homebound, or without reliable access to healthy food or medical services. It can result from not eating enough but also from poor eating habits that lead to nutritional deficiencies. The majority of deaths in California from malnutrition last year occurred in residents 85 and older.
  - ltbarcly3 3y ago
    These are people too elderly and feeble to take care of themselves, and often people who have medical conditions that prevent them from being able to absorb nutrition from food in addition to that. This has literally nothing to do with it being impossible to afford food. Also in the same period there were around 300,000 deaths due to obesity with around 30,000 in california.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      Sure. It just cites “low income” as a risk factor for fun. The claim was that no one dies of involuntary malnutrition. The claim is false.
      - ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Right, but you are intentionally ignoring the context, intentionally misinterpreting the claim, and being pedantic. It's so lazy and dishonest to do a super literal close reading of what someone says and then debunk that. Your teachers failed you. It's completely obvious that OP meant that otherwise healthy people aren't starving to death. That used to be common, millions of otherwise healthy people died in famines in Ireland and Ukraine and China not so long ago. People that were healthy couldn't find a way to get their hands on enough calories and they wasted away and died, and their children wasted away and died, gradually over months. That literally doesn't happen in the US and hasn't for a long long time, and if you are claiming it does you live in a land of make believe.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > People that were healthy couldn't find a way to get their hands on enough calories... That sure sounds like the "low-income, homebound, or without reliable access to healthy food" bit from my quote. > It's completely obvious that OP meant that otherwise healthy people aren't starving to death. The chances of zero people having done that in a country of 330 million people "in decades", as asserted, is quite slim. https://www.mtshastanews.com/story/news/2021/02/05/living-and-dying-streets-san-francisco-how-scion-prominent-family-fell-through-cracks/4396680001/ https://www.mtshastanews.com/story/news/2021/02/05/living-an... is a case of a physically healthy man starving to death in SF. https://www.newsweek.com/2023/01/20/starved-death-american-jail-man-who-couldnt-pay-100-bail-1773459.html https://www.newsweek.com/2023/01/20/starved-death-american-j... is a case of someone starving to death in jail for want of $100 bail. I rather suspect other examples can be found.
misnome 3y ago
This is the _second_ obvious thing people go for when trying to achieve the same.