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Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "

Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "no one will buy this" or other forms of diatribe with only personal bias as a basis for opinion. Many of the people criticizing clearly didn't see the presentations. Is there non-trivial risk of market failure? Of course. They are trying to create a computation and entertainment focused AR device. That is new. It is inherently risky to create new markets. Is it also possible that they have executed this so well that people may find it very compelling and buy it? Yes, that may be true. Only time will settle this question, so making extreme conclusory statements is just silly. Real, open-minded discussions of the tradeoffs of the tech have unfortunately been in relatively short supply this week. Some folks have made interesting and thoughtful comments and I for one have enjoyed them very much. Kudos! More of that please.

surgical_fire 3y ago
> Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "no one will buy this" or other forms of diatribe with only personal bias as a basis for opinion. Then let's talk, but only if the talking is to gush about Apple and its toys. If you are negative, just shut up.
Apocryphon 3y ago
There are plenty of posts made in favor of the device. Counter-condemning. Ultimately both sides are just talk until the device is actually out.
thunky 3y ago
> They are trying to create a computation and entertainment focused AR device. That is new. It's not that new. It's very similar in use case to Meta, which many also think is a major airball.
- voisin 3y ago
  Many people wouldn’t buy a Meta product if it would save their life. Airball by Meta doesn’t mean anything with respect to the market potential.
  - whywhywhywhy 3y ago
    They sold plenty of them, 20 million which is by all metrics a success. It’s getting those people to put them on beyond the initial honeymoon period that’s seemingly the issue. Everyone I know who bought one raved about it and considers it a great experience it's just the barrier to charging something then putting it on your face is really huge.
    - thunky 3y ago
      > It’s getting those people to put them on beyond the initial honeymoon period that’s seemingly the issue And that's a huge issue because it means they're likely never going to buy a face computer again until the form factor dramatically changes. Which suggests that the primary target audience for the new Apple headset has already left the market. From Meta's perspective, 20 million devices sitting in a closet generating zero future revenue is not a success.

surgical_fire 3y ago

> Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "no one will buy this" or other forms of diatribe with only personal bias as a basis for opinion. Then let's talk, but only if the talking is to gush about Apple and its toys. If you are negative, just shut up.

Apocryphon 3y ago

There are plenty of posts made in favor of the device. Counter-condemning. Ultimately both sides are just talk until the device is actually out.

thunky 3y ago

> They are trying to create a computation and entertainment focused AR device. That is new. It's not that new. It's very similar in use case to Meta, which many also think is a major airball.

voisin 3y ago
Many people wouldn’t buy a Meta product if it would save their life. Airball by Meta doesn’t mean anything with respect to the market potential.
- whywhywhywhy 3y ago
  They sold plenty of them, 20 million which is by all metrics a success. It’s getting those people to put them on beyond the initial honeymoon period that’s seemingly the issue. Everyone I know who bought one raved about it and considers it a great experience it's just the barrier to charging something then putting it on your face is really huge.
  - thunky 3y ago
    > It’s getting those people to put them on beyond the initial honeymoon period that’s seemingly the issue And that's a huge issue because it means they're likely never going to buy a face computer again until the form factor dramatically changes. Which suggests that the primary target audience for the new Apple headset has already left the market. From Meta's perspective, 20 million devices sitting in a closet generating zero future revenue is not a success.