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As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and red
by jawns 3y ago
As best I can tell from perusing the thread:
- The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google.
- HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work.
- Asahi Linux team is mad that HN is playing shenanigans on the outbound-link level, even though Asahi Linux team is playing shenanigans on the inbound-link level.
I scrolled down a few pages to try to find out what their grievance about HN is, but it's still not clear to me. The best I could find was "zero tolerance for those who defend wielding state violence against any oppressed, scapegoated and subjugated peoples & identities"
- sebmellen 3y ago> zero tolerance for those who defend wielding state violence against any oppressed, scapegoated and subjugated peoples & identities" is a hilariously unclear accusation.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- hn_thrwn 3y ago[flagged]
- LinuxBender 3y agoFWIW HN sets the Referrer-Policy header [1] to origin [2] and it seems most browsers maybe support it. [3] Perhaps some addons override or spoof it and/or maybe some bots ignore it. [1] - https://scotthelme.co.uk/a-new-security-header-referrer-policy/ https://scotthelme.co.uk/a-new-security-header-referrer-poli... [2] - https://securityheaders.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2F&hide=on&followRedirects=on https://securityheaders.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinato... [3] - https://caniuse.com/referrer-policy https://caniuse.com/referrer-policy
- pseudosavant 3y agoThis is enough to make me never touch Asahi Linux. What a childish game for a Linux distro? How dare someone link to their website without their approval...because that is totally how the internet works?? ffs.
- Anthony-G 3y agoAgreed. I like to try out different Linux distributions every so often. After seeing this immature tantrum, I wouldn't go near Asahi Linux.
- Manjuuu 3y agoIf you have a mac you will keep touching it, their code is forever in the mainline kernel. But again, I guess you really didn't understand that he was just lamenting the lax moderation for the threads about Asahi.
- NoGravitas 3y agoDo you hate jwz, too? Because I assure you, if you follow a link from HN to jwz.org (without removing the referer header), you will get much worse than a Google redirect.
- Redoubts 3y ago> Do you hate jwz, too? I mean, he definitely needs to look in the mirror.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago....like what?
- Kye 3y agoIt's at least clear where the balls come from. A tab redirected to Google would just leave me confused and concerned about malware.
- birdyrooster 3y agoAlso lots of accusations about how our entire site is somehow abusive even though 1) I and many others here have contributed our resources to Asahi and 2) they have not put forth sufficient (any??) evidence. I can imagine how stressful it must be to run a major project like Asahi, but it seems like a bit misguided to cast Hacker News as a net negative source of interest.
- Manjuuu 3y agoSince you are doing basically a "Not all HNers!" it would be very interesting to know what you have actually contributed to Asahi. I've been here way longer than you, since the early days, and I don't feel the need to comment on what Marcan is saying. Why do you?
- pseudosavant 3y agoUntil today, I had a positive perspective on Asahi, and HN is the only place in my life I ever heard about Asahi. Maybe they shouldn't paint with such broad brushes about the visitors to HN?
- musicale 3y agoI don't get it either. I discovered Asahi via HN and my characterization of comments here is 1) enthusiastic (I can't wait to run linux on my m1!) 2) appreciative (impressive job, asahi team, in a short time!) and 3) impatient for new features (oh man I just need support for x and then Asahi will be my daily driver!). I think we can accept #3 as a form of #1.
- Manjuuu 3y agoPretty sure marcan is not talking about "enthusiastic, appreciative, impatient for new features" people. I've read plenty of comments regarding Asahi along the lines of "why do we need this", "why is this not already in <favourite distro>", "this is already supported in the kernel, who are these people (the authors lol)". Not much to get I'd say.
- indrora 3y ago> I scrolled down a few pages to try to find out what their grievance about HN is, but it's still not clear to me. The best I could find was "zero tolerance for those who defend wielding state violence against any oppressed, scapegoated and subjugated peoples & identities" There's a surprising number of tankies ("State violence is okay if it's against people I don't like") on HN.
- willcipriano 3y agoSource?
- houseatrielah 3y ago#freejulianassange
- lostlogin 3y ago[flagged]
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- birdyrooster 3y ago[flagged]
- jacooper 3y agoI mean they might ban twitter as well then, but they don't.
- jonathankoren 3y agoI wouldn't use the word "tankie" since that's specifically about communists. There are exceeding few communists on HN. That isn't to say there's a disturbingly large number of authoritarians here, but they're of the opposite persuasion.
- codegeek 3y agoLesson learned for them is that you can never rely on the http referrer because it can be removed/updated/spoofed etc. A team that runs Linux should at least be aware of that and not block a website based on this value.
- SolarNet 3y agoI suspect they were aware of it. They didn't rely on it to block bad actors like bots or spammers or ddos-ers, they relied on it to block actors who were at some level implied to follow the social contract of how the internet works (e.g. a website focused at developers). The actual lesson learned here I think is that certain communities don't have respect for the social contract when it benefits them. Though I suppose you are right, a team of linux users should never have expected a site ran by a venture capitalist firm to respect the social contract.
- irthomasthomas 3y ago[flagged]
- biorach 3y agoYour statement makes no sense and is not supported by the links you posted
- irthomasthomas 3y agoThanks for pointing it out. I used the wrong link, but, it's too late to edit. This is what I was thinking of, re WDS, https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110354541574112092 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110354541574112092
- irthomasthomas 3y agoEdit: Sorry, I posted the wrong link for the Asahi X Wayland rant. https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110354541574112092 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110354541574112092