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They won't need to revolt, they'll just stop participating in the rigged game which will bring the game to it's knees.

by grecy 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago
I highly doubt it. I've had a lot of exposure to Canada's up and coming generation and unless it interferes with their internet connection I really don't think they will do much of anything. Participation is for immigrants, who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and they too won't be acting against the vested interests. This is a very frustrating aspect of Canada and it took me a long time to get to terms with it, such potential and so little to show for it. It's quite frustrating.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
How? You can't stop eating, and Canada is too cold to homestead in large numbers. Homeless shelter options are not good. They can't get on a bus to the US for more than 6 months at a stretch, and gun ownership is heavily curtailed. Until Ottawa makes some systemic changes -- and that sure as hell ain't gonna happen -- you're gonna participate, or freeze. They will then import a bunch of Temporary Foreign Workers to replace you.
- grecy 3y ago
  Myself, and a ton of engineering-types that I know quit our full time jobs and quit trying to "get ahead", and now just live on ~$20k a year doing what we want with our time. No need to aspire to buy a new car or house or pay huge taxes. Also, plenty of homesteading all the way up into Yukon (I lived there for four years). It's not hard to grow the majority of the food you need and hunt the rest.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    'Myself and A ton of engineering-types' is a rounding error on the size of society. The number of people that can afford to do this is super small, and those that do typically can do so because they are fairly carefree (healthy, few if any dependents). $20k / year will not support a family and growing food and hunting isn't how the vast bulk of society stays alive.
    - grecy 3y ago
      What I'm saying is that I believe more people will choose to do what we are doing, because the alternative (playing the rigged game) makes less sense every year. If it requires going to work for more than your entire life to pay for a house, people will stop buying houses, etc.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        People in general have far less choice in this than is probably desirable. They tend to have normal lives, with normal friends and normal jobs and as a result they lose their ability to make such choices. The game is utterly rigged but there isn't a whole lot you can do about it if you are trying to make ends meet with a family. In my family I'm the lucky one, I can pretty much live in any way that I want. But the rule is that the job cycle pretty much dictates how much freedom you've got. The financial stakes are balanced in such a way that you're likely in the tredmill for life unless you get very lucky. The big problem is that there are so many little races to the bottom that if you're not very careful you will end up participating in one or more of these effectively reducing the negotiation power of others and time shifted with yourself. Unionization is one way to solve some aspects of this (though not all and some unions have their own issues that then become dominant). Alternatively you can go it alone but that kind of risk taking isn't for everybody either. I don't think homesteading or opting out is going to be a big driver, it would be nice if it were but I just don't see it happening. What you will see is an increase in mental issues, homelessness, personal bankruptcies and more like that. Those are the indicators that things are really not going well. But many people don't care about these things until it hits them personally.
        grecy 3y ago
        > The game is utterly rigged but there isn't a whole lot you can do about it if you are trying to make ends meet with a family. I disagree there isn't a whole lot you can do, and I'm saying I know plenty of people doing it. I have multiple friends that used to be Engineers and Doctors and Architects, and now just ski 100+ days in the winter and mountain bike 100+ days in the summer. These people are in their 30s. They don't want to work much anymore, so they just live cheaply and don't play the rigged game.

They won't need to revolt, they'll just stop participating in the rigged game which will bring the game to it's knees.

by grecy 3y ago

They won't need to revolt, they'll just stop participating in the rigged game which will bring the game to it's knees.

I highly doubt it. I've had a lot of exposure to Canada's up and coming generation and unless it interferes with their internet connection I really don't think they will do much of anything. Participation is for immigrants, who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and they too won't be acting against the vested interests. This is a very frustrating aspect of Canada and it took me a long time to get to terms with it, such potential and so little to show for it. It's quite frustrating.

red-iron-pine 3y ago

How? You can't stop eating, and Canada is too cold to homestead in large numbers. Homeless shelter options are not good. They can't get on a bus to the US for more than 6 months at a stretch, and gun ownership is heavily curtailed. Until Ottawa makes some systemic changes -- and that sure as hell ain't gonna happen -- you're gonna participate, or freeze. They will then import a bunch of Temporary Foreign Workers to replace you.

grecy 3y ago
Myself, and a ton of engineering-types that I know quit our full time jobs and quit trying to "get ahead", and now just live on ~$20k a year doing what we want with our time. No need to aspire to buy a new car or house or pay huge taxes. Also, plenty of homesteading all the way up into Yukon (I lived there for four years). It's not hard to grow the majority of the food you need and hunt the rest.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  'Myself and A ton of engineering-types' is a rounding error on the size of society. The number of people that can afford to do this is super small, and those that do typically can do so because they are fairly carefree (healthy, few if any dependents). $20k / year will not support a family and growing food and hunting isn't how the vast bulk of society stays alive.
  - grecy 3y ago
    What I'm saying is that I believe more people will choose to do what we are doing, because the alternative (playing the rigged game) makes less sense every year. If it requires going to work for more than your entire life to pay for a house, people will stop buying houses, etc.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      People in general have far less choice in this than is probably desirable. They tend to have normal lives, with normal friends and normal jobs and as a result they lose their ability to make such choices. The game is utterly rigged but there isn't a whole lot you can do about it if you are trying to make ends meet with a family. In my family I'm the lucky one, I can pretty much live in any way that I want. But the rule is that the job cycle pretty much dictates how much freedom you've got. The financial stakes are balanced in such a way that you're likely in the tredmill for life unless you get very lucky. The big problem is that there are so many little races to the bottom that if you're not very careful you will end up participating in one or more of these effectively reducing the negotiation power of others and time shifted with yourself. Unionization is one way to solve some aspects of this (though not all and some unions have their own issues that then become dominant). Alternatively you can go it alone but that kind of risk taking isn't for everybody either. I don't think homesteading or opting out is going to be a big driver, it would be nice if it were but I just don't see it happening. What you will see is an increase in mental issues, homelessness, personal bankruptcies and more like that. Those are the indicators that things are really not going well. But many people don't care about these things until it hits them personally.
      - grecy 3y ago
        > The game is utterly rigged but there isn't a whole lot you can do about it if you are trying to make ends meet with a family. I disagree there isn't a whole lot you can do, and I'm saying I know plenty of people doing it. I have multiple friends that used to be Engineers and Doctors and Architects, and now just ski 100+ days in the winter and mountain bike 100+ days in the summer. These people are in their 30s. They don't want to work much anymore, so they just live cheaply and don't play the rigged game.