> Except actual accident statistics, you mean. I thought we had gotten past that statistic? AP, in particular, gets used in what is already the safest driving

> Except actual accident statistics, you mean. I thought we had gotten past that statistic? AP, in particular, gets used in what is already the safest driving situation there is. Those statistics can only be compared to human drivers in exactly that same narrow circumstance. If we were talking about FSD, then we'd need to see statistics where the human never touches the wheel; saving the car from it's own mistakes is cheating ;). > Now you've digressed into navigation choices and not safety. I think I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree -- incorrectly navigating across the lane lines, especially when the car indicates it sees them, is definitely a safety problem in my view. I expect that it's kinda like the silly wipers. If you live somewhere with the right kind of rain, you think "what is everyone complaining about?" but if you live in the PNW where we get a lot of misty rain, you end up cursing at the car regularly during the winter months. Some places have just the right roads for FSD, and those people think it's pretty great. But then other people get constant failures and wonder why the heck they spent 6, 12, or 15 grand on something that doesn't deliver. I'm glad someone has a good experience with it, even when it doesn't match my own. But I also didn't buy it outright, so I just cancel the subscription after trying it again to see how things stand.