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> There were 2.7 million illegal border crossings in FY 2022: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517 > It’s unsu

by tqi 3y ago

> There were 2.7 million illegal border crossings in FY 2022: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517 > It’s unsustainable and people think you’re a racist for bringing it up so it never gets talked about. Not to mention 3.7M live births in the US last year - and I know for a fact not a single one of those freeloaders has a job.

tonymillion 3y ago
Don’t forget about all those lazy old people who aren’t contributing and just taking up space… usually too much space (an old couple in a 3 bedroom house)
lph 3y ago
...and the same folks who rail against immigration can often be found lamenting the low national birth rate. It makes one suspect their complaint isn't with the rate of population growth, but with its hue.
- ToDougie 3y ago
  wow this really made me think
Auracle 3y ago
First off, immigrants tend to have more children. Second, if we're already at a deficit how does it make sense to throw more fuel on the fire?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > First off, immigrants tend to have more children First, undocumented migrants intercepted at the border by CBP (which is what your source counts) are particularly unlikely to have more children in the United States. Second, the CBP report your source is based on counts encounters, not people, and notes “The large number of expulsions during the pandemic has contributed to a higher-than-usual number of migrants making multiple border crossing attempts, which means that total encounters somewhat overstate the number of unique individuals arriving at the border.”
  - Auracle 3y ago
    You're neglecting the fact that not everyone gets stopped, people do visa overstays, etc. We don't know what the true number is and that's part of the problem. If we're letting an unknown number of people in we aren't controlling for housing demand. All we have hard data on are how many are added to the immigration court backlog.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > We don't know what the true number is and that's part of the problem We have a pretty good idea, but it doesn't mostly come from border encounter tallies like the onrs you've cited. > If we're letting an unknown number of people in we aren't controlling for housing demand. Except for a sharp drop during the pandemic and a rebound to nearly the prior level afterwards, the illegally-present population has been basically flat for years, and on a longer term declining since, IIRC, the mid-late 00s.
      - Auracle 3y ago
        Source? Immigration courts are more backed up than they ever have been.
- tqi 3y ago
  Why limit ourselves to only addressing one part of the equation? I say let's ban both immigration AND procreation!

by tqi 3y ago

tonymillion 3y ago

Don’t forget about all those lazy old people who aren’t contributing and just taking up space… usually too much space (an old couple in a 3 bedroom house)

lph 3y ago

...and the same folks who rail against immigration can often be found lamenting the low national birth rate. It makes one suspect their complaint isn't with the rate of population growth, but with its hue.

ToDougie 3y ago
wow this really made me think

Auracle 3y ago

First off, immigrants tend to have more children. Second, if we're already at a deficit how does it make sense to throw more fuel on the fire?

dragonwriter 3y ago
> First off, immigrants tend to have more children First, undocumented migrants intercepted at the border by CBP (which is what your source counts) are particularly unlikely to have more children in the United States. Second, the CBP report your source is based on counts encounters, not people, and notes “The large number of expulsions during the pandemic has contributed to a higher-than-usual number of migrants making multiple border crossing attempts, which means that total encounters somewhat overstate the number of unique individuals arriving at the border.”
- Auracle 3y ago
  You're neglecting the fact that not everyone gets stopped, people do visa overstays, etc. We don't know what the true number is and that's part of the problem. If we're letting an unknown number of people in we aren't controlling for housing demand. All we have hard data on are how many are added to the immigration court backlog.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > We don't know what the true number is and that's part of the problem We have a pretty good idea, but it doesn't mostly come from border encounter tallies like the onrs you've cited. > If we're letting an unknown number of people in we aren't controlling for housing demand. Except for a sharp drop during the pandemic and a rebound to nearly the prior level afterwards, the illegally-present population has been basically flat for years, and on a longer term declining since, IIRC, the mid-late 00s.
    - Auracle 3y ago
      Source? Immigration courts are more backed up than they ever have been.
tqi 3y ago
Why limit ourselves to only addressing one part of the equation? I say let's ban both immigration AND procreation!