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Posting as throwaway because this is such a fraught topic. I'm sort of wondering about how you get to the term: "Self Generated Child Sexual Abuse Material".

Posting as throwaway because this is such a fraught topic. I'm sort of wondering about how you get to the term: "Self Generated Child Sexual Abuse Material". This seems near self-contradictory.

thsksbd 3y ago
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nerdponx 3y ago
I can imagine some scenarios involving grooming and other evil things, but to assume that teenagers acting on hormones is inherently self-imposed sexual abuse is a little extreme.
maweaver 3y ago
Well the item most clearly fitting that definition would be this: In other cases, minors are coerced into producing illicit sexual content, known as sextortion, with a dramatic increase in cases reported by the FBI in the past year.
flangola7 3y ago
They could be pressured into taking photos by another person such as an authority figure, which would make it real CSAM. But I'm confident that isn't the case for the overwhelming majority of "SG" consent. I sent and received countless nudes with my smartphone in highschool, of which 0% were nonconsensual.
- nerdponx 3y ago
  Well, I for one was never quite so "popular" in that respect in high school. But I knew people who were, and it definitely raises some interesting questions about how we as a society ought to handle sexuality in young people. Plenty of sexually-charged activity happened on sites like Myspace and Stickam, most of it consensual, but not all of it healthy. For example, Person A is 17 and Person B is 19. A sends a sexy pic to B. Is B a predator extracting some manner of "unhealthy" consent, or is it just two teenagers having fun? What's the difference between unhealthy, and healthy but regrettable? It's often impossible to tell what's going on in a situation like that except on a case-by-case basis. Even if you were close friends with the people involved, you wouldn't always know what really happened until much later. I'm sure things are no different on Snapchat today. Furthermore, things get weird because teenagers tend to be irrational creatures. What happens if A lied about their age and they're actually 15? Let's also not forget that people mature at different rates: physically, mentally, and emotionally. Finally, this is all focused on the sharing of media. What if they meet up at a house party, get a little buzzed, and hook up? Perhaps there's a valid case to be made that, if you can stop even one instance of abuse, it's worth curtailing the freedoms of all teenagers. But I at least wish we wouldn't jump so far as to conclude that all "SG" sexual material is CSAM.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
Its what you have to call the result of a child taking a nude selfie when you're forbidden from using the term "child porn"

Posting as throwaway because this is such a fraught topic. I'm sort of wondering about how you get to the term: "Self Generated Child Sexual Abuse Material". This seems near self-contradictory.

thsksbd 3y ago

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nerdponx 3y ago

I can imagine some scenarios involving grooming and other evil things, but to assume that teenagers acting on hormones is inherently self-imposed sexual abuse is a little extreme.

maweaver 3y ago

Well the item most clearly fitting that definition would be this: In other cases, minors are coerced into producing illicit sexual content, known as sextortion, with a dramatic increase in cases reported by the FBI in the past year.

flangola7 3y ago

They could be pressured into taking photos by another person such as an authority figure, which would make it real CSAM. But I'm confident that isn't the case for the overwhelming majority of "SG" consent. I sent and received countless nudes with my smartphone in highschool, of which 0% were nonconsensual.

nerdponx 3y ago
Well, I for one was never quite so "popular" in that respect in high school. But I knew people who were, and it definitely raises some interesting questions about how we as a society ought to handle sexuality in young people. Plenty of sexually-charged activity happened on sites like Myspace and Stickam, most of it consensual, but not all of it healthy. For example, Person A is 17 and Person B is 19. A sends a sexy pic to B. Is B a predator extracting some manner of "unhealthy" consent, or is it just two teenagers having fun? What's the difference between unhealthy, and healthy but regrettable? It's often impossible to tell what's going on in a situation like that except on a case-by-case basis. Even if you were close friends with the people involved, you wouldn't always know what really happened until much later. I'm sure things are no different on Snapchat today. Furthermore, things get weird because teenagers tend to be irrational creatures. What happens if A lied about their age and they're actually 15? Let's also not forget that people mature at different rates: physically, mentally, and emotionally. Finally, this is all focused on the sharing of media. What if they meet up at a house party, get a little buzzed, and hook up? Perhaps there's a valid case to be made that, if you can stop even one instance of abuse, it's worth curtailing the freedoms of all teenagers. But I at least wish we wouldn't jump so far as to conclude that all "SG" sexual material is CSAM.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago

Its what you have to call the result of a child taking a nude selfie when you're forbidden from using the term "child porn"